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Old 03-10-2014, 09:45 PM   #21
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That's a good one. It's got some personal style to it, but it still totally legible.
Yep, funny part is we really didn't know what the guy was going do ( we gave the boat yard a template, said we want it like this and they had their guy do it) so we were darn happy at the results.
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Old 03-11-2014, 06:12 PM   #22
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One thing I don't like about the USCG hailing port regulations is that not just the city name, but also the state name (optionally abbreviated), is supposed to be shown. This serves no purpose in many cases (how many Seattle's are there, anyway?), and is plain ugly. Just port name: classy. Port name and state abbreviation: tacky.

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Old 03-12-2014, 12:46 PM   #23
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OK, so what are the advantages to the recreational boater of USCG documentation vs. State registration?
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Old 03-12-2014, 01:01 PM   #24
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My documentation is free, state registration costs money, but not sure how much.
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Old 03-12-2014, 01:29 PM   #25
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OK, so what are the advantages to the recreational boater of USCG documentation vs. State registration?
I have no idea if it's true a friend told me years ago on a CG documented boat the owner paid no property tax. For this the Govt. in case of national emergency could commandeer your vessel. At some point this changed and some states started to collect tax on all boats.
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Old 03-12-2014, 01:30 PM   #26
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It used to be in Louisiana a documented boat didn't need state registration. About 5 years ago the state started requiring registration of documented boats also. I keep up the documentation although I haven't had any particular advantage from it.
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I have no idea if it's true a friend told me years ago on a CG documented boat the owner paid no property tax. For this the Govt. in case of national emergency could commandeer your vessel. At some point this changed and some states started to collect tax on all boats.
I pay the same property tax in CA on my documented vessel as state registered vessels pay. I've not heard of a federal property tax....yet.
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Old 03-12-2014, 03:27 PM   #28
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OK, so what are the advantages to the recreational boater of USCG documentation vs. State registration?
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If you don't have a commercial vessel or one of historical interest, don't cruise internationally, and don't mind ugly state registration numbers on your bow, there is probably not any real advantage.
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I don't see any great advantage to being documented. Some try to use it as a tax dodge, but technically it isn't. Some get away without paying state sales tax if they have it documented in a no tax state like Delaware. Sales tax states can demand the tax if you keep it in state beyond the state's time limit, which varries by state. In most states you must register the boat even if it is documented and get a registration number and a sticker. You must display the sticker that shows you have paid the sales tax (state law) but if you are documented you are required to NOT display the registration number (federal law).

I found there is one advantage to BUYING a documented boat. You can get the documentation history which lists all the previous owners, boat names, as well as lien holders and the satisfactions of mortgage. So, you can have more assurance of a clean title.
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Old 03-12-2014, 04:27 PM   #30
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Shhh, don't let these guys find out ...

Port of Walla Walla

No kidding. They might cut off our Walla 2X wines!
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Old 03-12-2014, 04:33 PM   #31
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OK, so what are the advantages to the recreational boater of USCG documentation vs. State registration?
Lenders like it because it makes their Preferred Marine Mortgage easier to enforce under federal law than a chattle mortgage from state to state. It makes it somewhat easier when going to foreign countries.
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Interesting bit on the Dink.....
Good catch. A lot of people don't know that the regs require that the name be visible from astern of the boat, which when you carry a dink on tip davits concealing the transom, you have to put it on the bottom of the dink in compliance with the size and content of the regs. I have always understood that you also have to put it on the transom of the boat (since when the dink is down, the boat still has to have visible name and hailing port).
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I found there is one advantage to BUYING a documented boat... So, you can have more assurance of a clean title.
Which also makes it better for the SELLER because they can produce a clear title.

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Old 03-12-2014, 07:01 PM   #34
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Ancora, I agree .. hailing ports should have nothing to do w where the owner lives. It's all about where the boat lives. Walla Walla WA (in the middle of Washington state) is not a port. Mark, Looks like the USCG boat is about ready to go down stern first.
There are taxing implications based upon hailing port choice, it's up to the owner of the vessel which hailing port they choose to use and under current Federal statute it's allowed.
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There are taxing implications based upon hailing port choice, it's up to the owner of the vessel which hailing port they choose to use and under current Federal statute it's allowed.
Taxes are based on the boat's location, not the lettering on the hull.
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Old 03-12-2014, 07:16 PM   #36
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Greetings,
Mr. QB. "how many Seattle's are there, anyway?" Just the one as far as I know but this is not the case with other cities. List of the most common U.S. place names - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm just glad I don't have to put "Big Thicket Creekmore Village, TX" or "Pops Hammock Seminole Village, FL" on my transom. Heck, that's probably 8 gallons worth of fuel there. Apologies to Pops and Big Thicketers.....
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I'm glad to hear there is at least some enforcement of this. Illegible boat names and ports is a pet peeve of mine. Half the time it's the owners selection of a fancy font that makes it illegible.
Amen.
Or worse, no name whatsoever.
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Good catch. A lot of people don't know that the regs require that the name be visible from astern of the boat, which when you carry a dink on tip davits concealing the transom, you have to put it on the bottom of the dink in compliance with the size and content of the regs. I have always understood that you also have to put it on the transom of the boat (since when the dink is down, the boat still has to have visible name and hailing port).
I'm not sure this it correct. According to the US Power Squadron: "When dinghys are stored on the swim platform or transom causing the Vessel’s name and hailing port to be obscured from view, there is no Federal requirement to place the name and hailing port elsewhere. That is a Law Enforcement issue only. However, the requirement to be CLEARLY VISIBLE may necessitate duplicating the name and hailing port on either side of the hull. Stenciling
on the bottom of the dinghy is not considered a permanent marking."

The regulations for the placement of the name do not require it to be visible from astern, only that it be "on some clearly visible exterior part of the hull"

That being said, we have our name (In addition to the transom) on the bottom or our inflatable so that it is visible from astern. Mainly for other boaters to be able to communicate with us by name.
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C'rigney has a point. Now, it's a question whether the USCG chooses to pick on you. This Vallejo-based USCG boat passed us by yesterday (as they always have), but then spent time adjacent to an open (no superstructure) boat fishing:

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C'rigney has a point. Now, it's a question whether the USCG chooses to pick on you. This Vallejo-based USCG boat passed us by yesterday (as they always have), but then spent time adjacent to an open (no superstructure) boat fishing:
And I'm sure the USCG has bigger fish to fry than being the "Name Police".
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