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Old 11-19-2014, 02:05 PM   #21
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Wow, you know there are kids who aren't "unruly, ornery, spoiled, whining, rude brats that need to be taken out behind the woodshed and have the daylights spanked out of them."

In fact id say a majority of kids aren't that bad. you notice the ones that are trouble. meanwhile, a majority, more or less do what they are ask and are trying to learn to someday continue on traditions of boating.

Back on topic...Ski has the right idea. Give a list of expectations and consequences for not following those expectations. Something that i have always found to work is asking the kids (including my own) "why do you think this is a rule, why would i make you do/not do this".

The original question was about helm controls, why not use their curiosity to teach them what the controls do? in a safe area i let my daughter take the wheel, with my hand hovering above, i let her apply throttle. AND SHE LOVES IT. it gives her ownership of the boat...which gives respect for the boat, respect for me, love of the water and the same smile that is on my face is on hers when the engine starts.
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Old 11-19-2014, 02:06 PM   #22
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We don't allow kids on the boat, period.
That's a shame. I brought my kids up on boats......Some of the best experiences ever (for them and me)....
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Old 11-19-2014, 02:12 PM   #23
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I was brought up on boats and my kids also

so I struggle with some of the kids of today or the parents or something

we also have a hurricane deck boat that I bring kids out in
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(she's 25 now)
Any chance she lives in North Carolina
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Old 11-19-2014, 03:09 PM   #26
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Any chance she lives in North Carolina
Actually, she does right now, although she was born out here in Washington.

Here is a photo I took of her this September when her parents and my wife and I spent the month in France. Amanda and her husband of two weeks had asked if they could join us for the second week of their honeymoon (first week was in Spain). Very much surprised that they wanted to spend part of their honeymoon with the grownups, we all agreed.

Photo was taken in the town of Albi. The cathedral in the background-- St. Cecile--- is the largest brick buidling in the world. Albi is the home town of the fellow our boat is named for, Jean-Francois de La Perouse.
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Oh well...still in the market for an anchor...

Seriously, I'm 31 and still single. You'd feel my pain if you could actually get someone interested in going on a date at this point only to hear that their hobbies are taking pictures, listening to music, and hanging out with friends.

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Well, nice try Skinny. You'll never know if you don't ask.
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"Kids" is a pretty generic descriptor.

All different abilities and behaviors. If not sure about friends kids, I would have then over to the boat and dock for a trial run before taking them underway on a serious trip. I may take them around the harbor and return the first sign of issues, but hopefully would have a good idea prior to getting underway about the "kids" a different parents.

Having many years as a parent and Boy Scout leader...guessing kid behavior is like looking into a crystal ball, yet a few tidbits can set the tone.
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You'd feel my pain if you could actually get someone interested in going on a date at this point only to hear that their hobbies are taking pictures, listening to music, and hanging out with friends.
You said you are a pilot. I got all my landplane ratings-- Private, Commercial, Instrument, Flight Instructor--- in Hawaii. I used to (jokingly) tell my friends that airplanes scared the sh*t out of me, but they were a great way to pick up girls.

And it was true. Once I got my Private, just about every first date I had with a girl was a ride in a plane. I'd take them to either Maui or Kauai, rent a car, drive around and see stuff all day, and then fly back to Honolulu.

I'd meet a girl on a shoot-- one of the models if it was a fashion shoot, or a girl working in the background if it was a commercial for a bank or something--- strike up a conversation and drop in that I was a pilot and had she ever been in a small plane before. The answer was invariably no. So I'd ask her if she'd like to go for a ride. The answer was invariably yes.

After I moved here and got my seaplane rating, I began doing exactly the same thing. My first date with the girl who is now my wife was a flight to the San Juan islands for lunch in a Cessna 180 on floats.

A big advantage I had in Hawaii was the weather was almost always great for flying. So it was a ploy I could use year-round. Add to that the "glamor" of going to an island they'd almost always not been to yet, and it was an offer that was pretty hard to resist.

The best place was Kauai, about a hundred miles from Oahu, where there's an old WWII fighter strip right next to a beautiful beach park. Back then I mostly flew a Cessna 206, so the flight took about 45 minutes. Fly over, park the plane on the grass next to the beach, go swimming, sit on the beach, get lunch from the roach coach in the parking lot, swim some more, go for a walk, etc., etc., etc., and then fly home just before sunset. A day like that never failed to totally blow the girl away.

So, put your pilot's license to work for you.
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Don't know where that figure came from. The most people we have ever had on our boat at the same time is eight including ourselves, when we took people I used to work with in television in Hawaii who've moved here on a picnic run to Sucia island. It was a bit of an Elvis Preseley reunion--- three of us had run cameras on Elvis' live from Hawaii concert way back when.

Oh, I just realized you are probably thinking of the number of friends we have in total who we would consider taking out on our boat as guests on a cruise. So yes, you are correct although the number has increased a bit as a result of Amanda's marriage and the daughter and son-in-law of friends I worked with in Hawaii moving to this area. So now it's 17.

My comment on kids today is not based on the children of just our small circle of close friends. They are mostly grown or in college now, anyway.

It's based on what we see around us everywhere we go-- restaurants, stores, on planes, at airports, etc. Based on the behavior we see exhibited in these public places, today's kids-- by which I mean children up to their early teens perhaps--- for the most part appear to be a giant pain in the ass. The credit for which we give to the parents.
sounds like you dont have any kids??? if not its a great experaince
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We chose not to have children for a reason......it certainly wasn't so we could deal with other people's children. Most of our friends have children. We offer our friends a relaxing time on the boat while their children enjoy their time with someone else. We did have my nieces on the boat once. They asked if they could go out on the forward deck. I pointed out the hatches and had them stick their head in to see down below. I WARNED them to be careful around the hatches and watch their step because they could fall in. 20 minutes later one of them fell through the hatch. Fortunately it was the forward hatch over the forward berth and it was a short, well padded fall. It doesn't matter how comprehensive the training lecture, kids are idiots.
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The real issue is they grow up to be the same description without guidance and experience.

I have no problem with not having children, or not allowing them on your boat.

But like all kinds of leadership, supervision, mentoring, parenting, etc...etc....It takes guts and effort. If you don't want to put it out.....no harm no foul.

My kids grew up around boats and docks (I was living aboard while they lived with mom) and many other extremely dangerous things. It took a lot of effort to ensure their safety and experiences and both are extremely good and successful at whatever they do.

I was a kid...and I wasn't an idiot. But I'll give some latitude and guess that the term "idiot" is being used in a light manner and not in it's full force.
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That seems to be a common opinion by those who chose for their own reasons not to have kids. Do you have pets? I'm just curious as it seems commonplace for childless couples to fill that void with one or more animals.
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I taught Automotive Technology for 10 years, 4 of which was at the post-secondary level. Kids (including High Schoolers) could break an anvil.


So if you take dates out on regular flights, would this be considered a commercial operation by the FAA and require extensive amounts of certificates, flight time, and testing??? I think it falls under FAR69.69


Seriously Marin, it sounds like your entire life was when 100LL was under $3 a gallon. I will tell you that with my current salary (pretty much nothing being in a start up company now) that $5 a gallon will end my life and any boating hobby pretty fast. That is why I like my Mainship. Can't shake a stick at $10-12 an hour for fuel. But realistically, if I ever got behind the stick (prefer a yoke), I'm afraid my brain will confuse it with some type of addictive drug which will proceed to empty my wallet. I will have a new endorsement to show for it! Some of my fondest memories (can I say that at my age?) are screaming the stall warning right above the ground trying to play the game "Lets see if I can make the first taxi way".


I'm lucky to get past a cup of coffee with most dates. Not much to offer and trying to lay some serious amount of pipe will cause you to be broke, feel hangover pain, and more than likely will get you a trip to the clinic at some questionable point. Sure does build flight time though
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No. We have a dog (this also answers FlyWright's question). A lot cheaper, does what you want it to do when you want it to do it, always fun to have around, doesn't argue with you over stuff that doesn't matter, and is loyal to you its whole life. And when you get old it won't cook up a scheme to get all your money while parking you in an old folks home out of sight and out of mind.

My wife and I have never really seen the appeal of kids, and there are too many other things we've wanted to do and experience. Kids would have kept a lot of that from happening.

I know all about how children are their own reward and having them is a wonderful experience, and that's great for the folks who feel that way. I certainly don't feel that having kids is a bad thing or people are stupid for having them, or anything like that. The videographer I work most with has three children; the older two are out of college and the youngest is still in it. Their parents did a great job-- the mother quit work with the birth of the first one and did not go back to work until the last one was in high school--- and all three of their children are well on their way to what I know will be extremely successful lives.

But you only go around once, and having kids is an experience we've simply had no intrest in having. Of our closer friend's kids, there has only been one who we considered to be a really neat person when she was a kid, and that's the girl in the photo. The rest of them were, for the most part, a pain in the ass most of the time. And, as they entered adulthood, that's kind of how they turned out.
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So if you take dates out on regular flights, would this be considered a commercial operation by the FAA and require extensive amounts of certificates, flight time, and testing??? I think it falls under FAR69.69
Well, if it does, nobody ever told me. And one of the girls I dated for a bit was the daughter of the senior FAA official in Hawaii at the time. He liked the fact I had an instrument rating, but other than that certification and the FARs never came up.
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Skinny...Do you know Jesse Toppen?...I think he flew out of that area for a few years...Now an executive jet pilot flying for a family,, Son of a friend of mine!
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