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Old 10-20-2016, 01:09 AM   #1
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Grand Banks 42' Classic or Motoryacht

Ok - so recently we have narrowed our search down to either at classic or motor yacht. Have you had either? What have you liked about your model? If you could do it again would you? What would you change about yours?
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Old 10-20-2016, 02:33 AM   #2
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The GB Motor Yacht is different from the Classic mainly in the aft cabin. The MY is wider from the shoulders up! That's it! It appears much larger, but the useable space is about the same. The thing you loose with the MY is a walk-around deck. We couldn't live without a complete walk-around deck. We would also miss the dink storage on top of the aft cabin rather than a "sun deck" type design.

Besides, how much time is spent in the aft cabin? When sleeping we wouldn't know if the cabin was wider from the shoulders up!

If we had to do it all over again we would still get the Classic. However, I do see the advantage of the Europa with the covered side and aft decks. With the EU we would loose the larger aft cabin for a V-birth (noisier) but gain a larger aft deck for relaxing and fishing, etc. The EU isn't as good as the Classic or MY for guests.

It's all a compromise!
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Old 10-20-2016, 03:41 AM   #3
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I never intervene or influence in the choice or research of boat which is a matter of personal choice, always a compromise between what is desirable and what is possible. Nevertheless I may just make a few comments.

The Classic offers two staterooms, separated by the main saloon and galley.

The Motoryacht offers a full-width stateroom aft, and two staterooms forward, a larger forward head.
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Old 10-30-2016, 02:26 PM   #4
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So yesterday I made an offer, what I feel is respectable on this vessel

1983 Grand Banks 42 Motoryacht Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

We'll see what happens. My son of only 7 is nearly only a foot away from being my height so a second stateroom is a definite plus. It needs updated electronics, probably diesel heat for the times we are away from the docks and a proper tender. For now, updated electronics are first on the list.
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Old 10-30-2016, 03:35 PM   #5
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Nice looking boat.

I really enjoyed my 42' MY and I'm sure you'll enjoy yours as well.
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Old 10-30-2016, 05:52 PM   #6
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Any GB in the NW Explration fleet has most likely been well looked after. I have their detailed and excellent maintenance check list, something you may care to get from Brian and go through it with the surveyor. Good choice.
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Yup, nice boat.

Wonder what it sold for, new, in 1983? Any source for info like this?
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We own the boat in question since we bought her new in 1983 in Singapore from Bob Livingston. With shipping and basic electronics we paid about $230,000. BTW shipping from Singapore to LA was $12,000. We love her dearly and have cruised the Salish Sea extensively since 1992 when I brought her up the coast from San Diego. I never thought we would sell her but sadly our health and age dictates she go to the stewardship of someone who will provide her with the affection and care we have given her all these years. She is a great boat and will serve well. Mel Kowal
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I neglected to mention that the Motoyacht Model sold for about $20,000 more in 1983 than the Classic. We think the Motoryacht is superior in every aspect to the Classic. There is nothing we would have changed regarding layout and convenience which is why we bought her new in the first place.
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Old 11-01-2016, 07:44 AM   #10
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Mel,

I walk by her almost everyday and have been aboard several times, she is a beauty that is clean and very well kept.

The right buyer will find her and she will find them.

Bob & Jill
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Like others, I think she is a beauty but could some one explain why the Lehmans are olive green?
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We own the boat in question since we bought her new in 1983 in Singapore from Bob Livingston. With shipping and basic electronics we paid about $230,000. BTW shipping from Singapore to LA was $12,000. We love her dearly and have cruised the Salish Sea extensively since 1992 when I brought her up the coast from San Diego. I never thought we would sell her but sadly our health and age dictates she go to the stewardship of someone who will provide her with the affection and care we have given her all these years. She is a great boat and will serve well. Mel Kowal
Thanks. Trying to convince the wife that if we keep a boat a few years, we might sell it for about what we pay (33 years might be a little much, for us).

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L.O.A. (Not including Pulpit & Swim Platform) / Beam :

GB 42' Classic Hull # 605 (my previous boat) : 41" 10" / 13' 70"
GB 42' Motor Yacht Hull # 1352 : 43' 30" / 14' 10"
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Brokers offer of $160,500 turned down. There is no better boat at a better price. A vessel of this quality and size at a similar price cannot be found.
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Brokers offer of $160,500 turned down. There is no better boat at a better price. A vessel of this quality and size at a similar price cannot be found.
Was this your first serious offer?
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Since buyer and seller are both here, you could discuss through private message if you want. Of just continue to work through your brokers as you are.

Hoping something works out for both of you.
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Time for me to whine over the death of Grand Banks as we knew it. It appears Palm Beach is doing well so that's where the attention is.

From the business side, their moves appear to be working as they went from a $4.8 million loss in 2015 to a $2.0 million profit in 2016. 78.6% of their sales in 2016 were in the US. As to the lines, the GB 60 has still only appeared in artist renderings.

The GB line is down to a 43' and 54' Heritage model, a 55' and 72' Aleutian model and a 44' Eastbay. All other models have been dropped. The Palm Beach line consist of 6 Express Models and the same 6 boats in Flybridge versions.

I think the boat being discussed here was such a great boat as were many they built and miss seeing them in the market.
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Firstly I hope the OP and Mel can get it done. You aren't that far apart. Looks to be a great boat and it clearly delivered a lot of great times for Mel. That's priceless, and the new owner, whoever they are, are bound to get the same. The 42's are 'just right' in so many ways.

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The good news is that GB have started making profits. Without that the company does not survive. I'm sure they would listen to anyone who wanted a discontinued model built for them, and might well be able to do it. Of course old moulds do get destroyed if there is no yard space....
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I am happy to discuss my reasoning and how I came to my decision and offer. However I don't feel a public forum is the best approach. I might suggest that we have a conversion/conference with our broker off line.
I respect my fellow forum members and appreciate the honest frank feedback that they have given me in the past. For that I am very appreciative. In seeking to find my next vessel I value the opinion of many here. Thank you for your contributions and willingness to share.
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The boating industry rises and falls, largely due to sea legs capable visionaries vs non boating corporate hacks running the companies. A publically traded specialty boat building company is a step backwards IMHO when it comes to creating quality well designed vessels that change with the times.

Nordhavns continued success is worth a study. As GB faded, PAE became a star. Why is that?

As with many other builders, GB suffered mightily with the departure of Tony F. It took awhile. Of course Fleming thrived.
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