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Old 10-03-2007, 07:52 AM   #1
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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

I spotted this boat on Galveston Bay in August.* They were just cruising along like nothing happened!
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Old 10-13-2007, 05:19 AM   #2
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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

Wish I had kept a record on the Loop of the number of marine motorists either at the end of a tow rope or limping to a haul for yet another set of shafts and rudders.

If you want to contemplate reliability underway , simply ask Sea Tow,

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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

Hmmm, I don't have to ask Sea Tow. Just watching the every day boating here in the Galveston Bay / Clear Lake Texas area, It's obvious what the ratio is. There must be close to a 10 to 1 ratio of Sailboats vs motorboats being towed in down here.

Hey FF, based on your mostly negative comments about power boats / trawlers, and the fact that you never identify who you are, where you are, or what kind of boat you have, I assume you are a sail boater? Just makes me wonder why you're so active on a trawler site.
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RE: A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

Just for the record, Boomarang has seemed to find itself in water less than 42" deep on about 20 some odd instances in 10 years of sloppy boating.

Total number of tows...zero
Total number of pulls for ungrounding...zero
Total damage to date $0.00

Full keel with shoe and protected rudder, Priceless!*

Of course the gooey slop on the bottom of SE Texas waters helps a little.

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Old 10-17-2007, 04:49 AM   #5
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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

"FF, based on your mostly negative comments about power boats / trawlers, and the fact that you never identify who you are, where you are, or what kind of boat you have,'

My "negative comments" are usually reserved for the condo boats that never leave the slip.
Unsafe at any location but dockside .

And the old Tiawan Tubs that were built with an extrime budget by many overnight yards, of ZERO experience.

Frequently a bare hull would be a wedding present for a 20 year old newlywed, he was "set" IF it could be completed and sold to anyone.
Remember sailing and boating were ILLEGAL in Tiawan , so there was NO experience base.

I believe the vast majority of marine motorists are doing mental masterbation** , with dreams of offshore work with most production boats today.

*Run the inside passage too AK, fine , the Island hop to visit Comrade Chavez , no biggy , only the Mona Passage to cross.

But dreams of going somewhere on a Mainship , Carver , Sea Ray , are dumb,and dangerious.

I do prefer smallish (35 to 45) ft sailboats for folks with Circumnavigation on the brain , as thousands have actually done it, over the past 50 years.

Even the highest priced motorboats have to gang together to stagger across the smallest ocean in small steps, with swimming tech help available.

Most SAIL Circumnavigators are couples , with limited finds , no million dollar boats and huge support crew.

We have an offshore 33ft 90/90 that will be readied for sea , should the need come after the next election.
*A biological attack is probably in the cards if the Apeasement folks win.

Our current motorboat is a 50 ft Uniflite , ex NAVY launch, built properly with Fire Retardant Resin, Foam Flotation and construction superior to virtually any other hull. A solid roving laminate , no chopped strand mat at all.Too difficult* and too expensive for any* BUT Uncle SAM

Last few years,We have run from Maine to FL ,
*Back to CT to loop right ,
*Richelu and Rideau canal, Lake Champlain,
*Loop Left this year , Trent Severne North Passage and all that , about 4400 miles , returned to FL 2 weeks ago.

The trip,went as planned , UNEVENTFUL!!

Have you left the dock this year?

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Old 10-17-2007, 02:04 PM   #6
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RE: A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

Brent havent you traveled about 500 miles in the last month on your Taiwanese Tub?
4400 miles in two years? That averages to 180 miles a month, I do almost that and I am a weekend warrior with a full time job.
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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

Have you left the dock this year?

Yep, sure have. 4 coastal trips of about 500 miles each. One river trip from central Tenn to Pine Bluff, Ark, somewhere just under a thousand miles. Many, many 2 or 3 day weekend trip. Let's see, close to 4000 miles in less than a year.

Just all of it with a much better attitude than you have.

Oh, and I figured out who you are, and you're right. It will be interesting to see how long the moderators let you stay on this forum.
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Old 10-17-2007, 02:26 PM   #8
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Hey
I think they should leave him alone, makes things interesting when your bored at work....
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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

"Brent havent you traveled about 500 miles in the last month on your Taiwanese Tub?"

Actually, closer to 1,000. In the past "few years", Just since I've owned this "tub", I've done around 13,000 miles, including a trip in this tub from Staten Island, NY to Clear Lake Texas.

Certainly not all "uneventful", but all fun!

Man, that 20 year old newlywed sure did a fine job on this tub!
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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

FF,

To be quite honest with you I think it is sailors that suffer from the "dream" with starry eyed romance in their eyes.**We live*in one of the most highly concentrated areas of sailboats in the country.* ANd there are thousands upon thousands of "bluewater" sailboats that go absolutely nowhere...and Catalinas and Hunters that go out every weekend.* SO who is the more accomplised boater in that group?....the guy with the bulletproof double ended tank that goes nowhere or the one that gets out there every weekend?*For the most part, powerboaters know what they have and they have no plans of crossing any oceans in your common production motorboat.* I guaran-damn-tee you(that's Texan language if you hadn't figgered it out) that the dude that buys a Sea Ray or a Carver has absolutely no intentions of offshore work, they just want to get on the water and can you blame them.* And I happen to one one of the brands you lump into your (worthless) pile....and where exactly is "somewhere"?* Because I would be happy to take it many places and have....with over 240 hours of use in less than a year of ownership.* I boat with the responders above and will have to say that you are picking on the wrong folks as far as boat usage goes. I, like Troy, have a job that keeps me away and I still manage to use my boat about 2-3 times A WEEK even if it is just for a Sundowner and a fish taco.

There is an artist down here that sings about the Galveston Bay area.* A song called "Redfish Island".* A line in it goes..."....He sweared that in a year or two, he'd lay his law books down.* Now the boat's for sale, and Jimmy's in the ground."* You can plan and dream all you want but get your azz out on the water because you ain't gonna live forever.

FF, boating is not just going around the world or even going across oceans.* We all do it differently and for different reasons(I have a job and a career)* It is enjoying life on the water.* ANd whatever gets you out there is the best boat for you or anyone.* I have always said that the closer*expectations*are to reality*(concerning a particular boat) the more likely that boat will be used often....it is as simple as that.

BTW, welcome to the Forum and I mean that sincerely.* You or your boats are not superior to anyone else's.* They are the ones that work for you.* Now lower your nose or you might run aground.


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RE: A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

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Old 10-17-2007, 04:01 PM   #12
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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

"BTW, welcome to the Forum and I mean that sincerely. You or your boats are not superior to anyone else's. They are the ones that work for you. "

Superior heavy duty construction does exist , just its hard to pay for new.

I am one of the few (I think ) folks that has a less romantic view of boating.

Indeed the sailors seldom go offshore ,as "bestitis" is far more fun than a few weeks of crappy weather .

"As soon as I have XXX , I'll be ready", I've seen them wait 20 years!

My opinion is a boat is a TOOL that has to perform a job, (YOUR style of boating) really well to be useful.

Sure as a liveaboard house , most anything with mere volume is a Great boat.

And for lakes bays and rivers , a Boston Whaler up makes a fine cruiser.
Even Mainships , (which have interiors that are the results of loads of marker research , and are spectacular), can cross a lake ot run the ICW.

What bothers me is the folks that think "Trawler" might have ocean abilities , just from the add agencies use of the name on a motorboat.

The fact is most "trawlers" would be a dangerous choice to go OFFSHORE CRUISING.

What some folks think of as passagemaking .Only 1% of motorboating at best.

SOME boats really are superior as a tool for a specific job!

I hope ( with my comments) to help folks attempt to be honest with themselves , and chose wisely .
Its a lot of time and ca$h when mistakes get made!!

I write for the WANABEES , not for the old salts that have made their choicees and must live with them.

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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

I removed my previos post, and apologize to anyone who had to read it. I should have not let myself get sucked into such a stupid argument.

Like the saying goes, "Never argue with a fool, the observer may not be able to tell the difference"

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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

, there have been Carvers, SeaRays, Mainships, heck even waverunners that have done the same thing.

Sure , but how many did a relaxed UNEVENTFULL trip?

We were in the Rideau and were horrified to watch a senior couple (75 a guess)with a Mainship , purchased NEW specifically for the Loop. They were swinging wildly in the lock hanging onto the lines BY HAND! The factory "sales rep" had sold them a dreamboat , that could NOT be secured in a lock, for the Loop!

Aft were pretty SS hawse holes that could not be fed a lock line , forward the cleat was so tiny the lock line couldnt be wrapped , even a half turn.

Midships , where a big generous cleat would have saved the day , the rep claimed the hull was not set up for a cleat , so could not be installed. They were heading home , to dump the boat , their dream crushed by reality.

Their cruising life will be really UNEVENTFULL , sitting home by the fire.

We had a Carver 45 or so come by , again a new boat run from Canada to FL, the hassle and danger of running down , with thin water and crap in all the rivers had this captain swop boats (no more exposed twin props) as soon as he got to a dealer in Kent. .

THink of the hit of purchasing 2 new boats in a 3 year period!

We prefer a military or commercial hull as most are built to scantlings and outfitted with marine gear many steps over "yacht grade" .

One example on our own boat are heavy duty MONEL fuel tanks , with proper filtering in the tank, and a bottom drain.
No biggie , but nice that once a year a pail will get the asphault particles and condensation. So fuel failure is not on the fun list , even after almost 40 years.

Thank goodness for taxpayers that can afford this level of construction.I sure couldnt new!





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I would like to see some pictures of this navy boat.
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RE: A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

FF, the only thing*these people*are exemplifying is poor judgement.* It doesn't matter how poorly or well built the boat is, if there is an ignoramus behind the wheel, the results will be the same.* Judgement is the number one tool foor a captain....not a well built boat and not electronics.* I don't know what kinda mainship you saw but every single one of them I have seen(even my lightly built 30) has had a pretty decent midship cleat.* My rear hawsepipes are about 6-8 inches in diameter so if they were to throw me a line larger than 8 inches(which I seriously doubt...I don't think I could even hold one up and if it hit someone, they might be kilt!!!), then I would be SOL.* I understand your scenario, but I think there is a little "imagination" in it to make your point.* Every brand new sparkling dream killing Mainship has a midship cleat.
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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

BTW, cool boat. I do have at least one objection though. There are no lifelines/rails. So where do you safely put the bikini clad women??? Seriously, though, no lifelines are an issue. Who cares about tying up in a lock when your significant other is swimming in it.
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RE: A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

The discussion has wandered a bit.* There are a few trawlers that sails have been added, and have consider/thought about adding sail to the Eagle some day.* I think in the very near future because of the cost of fuel that more hybrid trawler with sail will come to the market.* Motor sail next to use is being re rigged at a cost of 30 grand and I have spend some time helping, learning and talk a bit about adding sails to the Eagle.*

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One thing I have learned/observed over the years the right side and left side inside passage are quite different which require different boats and capability.* The vast majority of the pleasure boats are for protected waters and maybe doing the right had side inside passage but to the right side in side passage and coastal cruising.*

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I think that many sail boater convert to trawler in due time as they begin to realize that a strait heading of 6 to 8 knots is fast and less distance the a zig zag course and its much more comfortable being in an environmental protect heated/air condition helm. Besides most are actually motoring anyway.* (-;

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The main point is to now YOUR boat and your own capability first and not as much as the other persons.* I would much rather be the one lending assistance than being the one assistance is being given to.* You know what I mean?
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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

This is a Trawler site, right??? Saw this on one of the conversion tugboat sites and thought it was too funny to pass up.

Top Lines From the Sailboater

We had the right of way.
We can't go out it's too windy.
Can I borrow your hose?
Do ya mind if we tie up for a few minutes?
Could you turn down the music?
HOW MUCH??!!
Could I borrow some diesel?
What time do the restrooms open?
Could you help me pull my anchor up?
12:00 a.m. - Clang! Clang! Clang,Clang,Clang! Clang!!!
put,put,put,put,put,put,put,...!!!!!!
Pass me my rain gear!!!!
MAYDAY! MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
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A good reason to give up the sailboat for a trawler?

I had not seen this thread until a link was recently posted to it in another thread. I apologize if you were all hoping it was dead.

Regarding the photo that kicked it off, I'd have to give the folks credit for going home under power after their dismasting as opposed to on the end of a rope. I've crewed in some races back in the early 80s where boats were dismasted by sudden gusts and there's not a whole lot you can do except motor on home. It's a mess on deck and cutting sails and cables and sawing stuff apart is best left until the boat is tied up unless it's an open-ocean accident that has to be dealt with on the spot.

I've met a lot of trawler owners who used to sail. The reason given for the switch is often the fact that a sailboat got to be too much physical work. In some cases, someone's mobility wasn't what it used to be and getting around on a sailboat deck was getting too difficult. Some said they'd met their quota of hours in open or semi-open cockpits in the rain and wind during the winter and decided to make the switch to power rather than give up off-season boating.

My sailing experience is limited to a few seasons of racing in the early 80s and a bit of inter-island cruising in Hawaii in the '70s. But I've known a fair number of sailboaters and I've noticed that to most of them the voyage is the thing, not the getting there. This is something I can strongly relate to. As with my floatplane flying and even driving trips, I am always a little bummed out when we get where we're going in the boat. To me, and to a fair degree my wife, the enjoyment is in the going. The destination is just an excuse to take the boat out. And by destination I mean a town, a harbor, a marina, etc. We consider a remote bay that we might anchor in to still be a part of the "getting there."

Going slow, observing what's going on around them, watching the seabirds, watching the light changing on the water and islands are reasons I have heard from sailboaters who chose a trawler when switching to power. A slow powerboat most replicates what they enjoyed about going out in their sailboats.

I took this photo while we were following Carey's lobsterboat north through the islands back in late August.* The fog was burning off and the water was calm.* To me, this is what it's all about.


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