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Old 03-12-2018, 07:43 AM   #1
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Gloss versus Matte Varnish finish

I know this is an aesthetics question but here goes. Refinishing the interior varnish on a 1988 Grand Banks. Looking at the owner's manual the interior varnish was a mixture of 75% semi gloss and 25% gloss varnish. What level of sheen do you recommend for interior teak?
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:23 AM   #2
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Floor or walls?

I just did my floor and used semi gloss as I felt full gloss would be too much and show scuff marks easier.

While I don't have the full gloss finish to compare to I am happy with the result.
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:37 AM   #3
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Mr. jr. Aesthetics indeed. MY personal preference is a matte to semi-gloss finish for interior surfaces IF your interior paneling is wood. Gloss over large surfaces is just a bit too much IMO. Gloss finish on wood trim/accent pieces might be acceptable BUT a gloss finish will show every scratch and scuff AND fingerprints as opined by Mr. m.
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:43 AM   #4
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I used Rustoleum Gloss Polyurethane 5 years ago on floors. No scuffing, very pleased with the results. https://www.rustoleum.com/product-ca...thane-275-voc/
For walls, cabinets, fiddles etc we use Epifanes woodfinish matte. I do touch up repairs and you can't tell were it was done.
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Interior varnish is all satin on Hobo. I think Epifanes makes a matte but you can buy satin almost anywhere. A matte finish is too flat where a gloss is too shiny for us imho.
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Re everyone's walls - are they wood or laminate. I was advised by the wood guy at the yard just to use Murphy's on laminate and not a light sand and varnish.

Your thoughts?
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Re everyone's walls - are they wood or laminate. I was advised by the wood guy at the yard just to use Murphy's on laminate and not a light sand and varnish.

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I also use Murphyís oil soap on laminate. Trim wood and my teak and holly floors get gloss. All other solid teak gets satin. Personal preference really.
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Re everyone's walls - are they wood or laminate. I was advised by the wood guy at the yard just to use Murphy's on laminate and not a light sand and varnish.

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Our walls are wood. Murphy's Oil Soap has been used on our boat for at least 17 years. It seems to keep the finish looking like new. The boat is 29 years old and the few touch ups have been on fiddles, window sills and doors. The walls don't show wear. The Murphy's is the key. It looks and smell good after a Murphy's wash down.
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I vote 'Satin' for all interior wood surfaces. I find 'Gloss' too glittery; just taste. I have no painted surfaces but would use 'Semigloss' if trim, and 'Eggshell' if bulkheads. I have no fake wood on our boat; if I did, I'd paint it like I did the 'FauxTeak' on the Morgan 27.
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Teak is traditionally never varnished. The simple reason is, it contains too much oil and no good finish will attach well. I would use the soapy Murphy oil on floors, and an oil or clear stain in vertical surfaces. Now veneered surfaces would not have the large amount of oil, as it dries easily, so I guess these could be varnished, and to keep with tradition, I would use a mate product.
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Teak is traditionally never varnished.
Pedro, are you sure?
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Pedro, are you sure?
I reacted the same way. I have varnished teak brightwork all around the boat!
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Pedro, not only do I put varnish over teak, I use oil as my first coat. Adheres just fine. Iíve heard the idea that one cannot varnish teak, but either donít agree with it, or donít understand it. Lots and lots of teak gets varnished every day.
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I speak as a woodworker, not as boat owner. In furniture, we never varnish teak. Even glueing teak is quite difficult, and one has to previously use acetone to remove the local oil. I never had a boat that had teak other than in decks, so I humbly admit I am not an authority in the use of teak in boats, and you are probably right in that there are varnishes that can be used in that industry.
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With a good prep varnish on teak is good. I’ve put lots of oil on my caprails and use McKloskies spar varnnish (high oil varnish).

Inside my boat is almost all teak. Don’t think it’s ever been varnished. I oil it on occasion (my own mix of oil mostly linseed). The only downside is really old oil gets dark and has a dirty look about it. The smell of turp inside is strong. Mine oiled teak in places should be wooded down but I’ve not done it. It looks fair but I’m not that super fussy.
The plus side of oil is it’s easy to re-do and scraping is not needed. It has the nice warm soft look most want.

A passing thought;
Varnish is a mixture of oils mostly linseed, tung and turpentine that I think comes from trees and is also oil. I don’t think I’m far off saying a case could be made saying teak works best w oil finishes. I planed to just oil a piece of plywood on my foredeck but after about 12 coats of oil I decided to varnish. It’s held up good w the heavy oil base. Only one touch up in about 7 years.
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With a good prep varnish on teak is good. Iíve put lots of oil on my caprails and use McKloskies spar varnnish (high oil varnish).

Inside my boat is almost all teak. Donít think itís ever been varnished. I oil it on occasion (my own mix of oil mostly linseed). The only downside is really old oil gets dark and has a dirty look about it. Mine (in places) should be wooded down but Iíve not done it. It looks fair but Iím not that super fussy.
The plus side of oil is itís easy to re-do and scraping is not needed. It has the nice warm soft look most want.
Teak looks best with varnish, both inside and outside. That old, dark oil finish inside can be rehabbed by scraping off the layers of dirty oil that are making it go dark. Then a couple of coats of satin or gloss varnish will bring up whatever level of shine you desire and with only wiping, the colour will stay lighter and look clean.
Outside...well it is called "brightwork" isn't it? Decks may be left to go grey, except for the "king plank" and perimeter boards, which should both be gloss varnish for a traditional look.
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Baby oil on bare grain interior vertically positioned teak and mahogany really looks good, easy to apply and has pleasant odor.
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"What level of sheen do you recommend for interior teak?"

Non reflective , polished with rottenstone.

In rough conditions a shiny paint/varnish reflecting light in many directions can help create a

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I like satin finish on interior surfaces and gloss on exterior. This is mahogany with a satin finish. Iíve heard that using a coat of gloss under the coat of satin will make your satin finish last longer . Iíve never tried it .
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I like satin finish on interior surfaces and gloss on exterior. This is mahogany with a satin finish. Iíve heard that using a coat of gloss under the coat of satin will make your satin finish last longer . Iíve never tried it .
The gloss shows up all imperfections much more than satin. Then you fix them, then put a final coat of satin, to achieve the desired level of gloss. I have tried it. It works for those areas where SWMBO wants satin. elsewhere I leave a gloss as the final finish.
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