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Old 10-03-2018, 02:21 PM   #1
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get rid of or shortening the bow pulpit

As we look for a different boat I need to be concerned about the over all length. Some of the boats that I have looked at have a 3 ft long bow pulpit and 3 ft wide swim step reducing the width of the swim step seems straight forward. I wondered if anyone has eliminated or substantially shortened their bow pulpit. It seems that the anchor orientation when stowed would be more vertical. then horizontal I really don,t want to reposition the anchor windlass I think it would raise havoc with the way the chain falls into the locker. Anyone done this?
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Old 10-03-2018, 03:35 PM   #2
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Be very careful about shortening the bow pulpit. It is as long as it is for two reasons:


1. To keep the anchor from banging against the stem of the boat when raising it.


2. To have enough room when raised for the shank to lay in front of the windlass gypsy.


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Old 10-03-2018, 04:47 PM   #3
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Photos of what you have may get some good suggestions along with some measurements..

D.M. has a good point but with photos you may get some help.
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Shorten the swim step? Most production boats have too little swim step. My own came from the builder with a less than safe width, so was not suitable or useful until I lengthened it by 13". Now it is safe and useful.
Yes, it is part of the boat's overall length.
I also have a bowsprit that moves the anchor out front and also adds to the overall length. I wouldn't be without it. To do so would move the anchor back onto the foredeck, move the windlass back the same distance and make the foredeck useless for anything other than storage of the ground tackle.
Also the ABS pipe down which teh rode falls would have to move back and that would put it into the forecabin, not into the chain locker.
The easiest and best solution is to get moorage that will fit the full length of your boat, inclusive of whatever protrusions it comes with.
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Old 10-03-2018, 05:24 PM   #5
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What kind of boats are you looking for and with what restrictions due to budget, docks or trailer? Not all vessels have pulpits, some have folding up swim platforms. Options galore will appear once you start walking the docks.
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I own a covered slip, so changing moorage is a non starter. The slip I have is 44 + 2 ft for the piling at the end of the finger. I don't want to intrude on the fairway if I can help it. 46 ft boats typically have 2 heads and 2 staterooms and a washer / dryer and a couple of other features that I want. So Ive been looking at 4788 bayliners if I can get rid of bow pulpit and skinny up the swimstep so the boat is a couple feet in the fairway which is about the max I want to be.
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I own a covered slip, so changing moorage is a non starter. The slip I have is 44 + 2 ft for the piling at the end of the finger. I don't want to intrude on the fairway if I can help it. 46 ft boats typically have 2 heads and 2 staterooms and a washer / dryer and a couple of other features that I want. So Ive been looking at 4788 bayliners if I can get rid of bow pulpit and skinny up the swimstep so the boat is a couple feet in the fairway which is about the max I want to be.
FYI, 4788 Meridian/Bayliner is 47'4" on deck, 53'11"LOA.
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I'd let it stick out instead of possibly significantly lowering the resale value of the boat.

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Or decide to not anchor. Or spend a whole lot of money reconfiguring everything to accommodate a hawse type anchor set up.
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Old 10-03-2018, 09:49 PM   #10
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There is a 4788 on my dock (we have firm restrictions on length) that fashioned their pulpit to hinge up. Looks pretty functional.
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Old 10-03-2018, 10:07 PM   #11
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I have a 30 boat in a 30 slip. No SS or BP. Id need to get a bigger slip for a BP or SS. Moorage is too expensive to contemplate that. At least for me.

Ive never liked the SS as I always thought a big stern wave would hold the stern down long enough to poop the aft cockpit. Never heard of it happening though but it wasnt the best on a rounded stern like our Willard. So Ive never had one.

As to the BP I detest to look them, and Im not keen on paying the extra moorage either. I think most boats can be rigged to give room on the foredeck to have the anchor as close as possible to the bow of the boat.
Below is a pic of my boat w a Claw on the bow and it protrudes beyond the bow only 4 to 5. If the anchor wasnt modified and located a bit lower even less would protrude beyond the bow. Click image for larger version

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2nd pic is of another Claw mounted on another Willard that only protrudes about 2 or 3 further than mine.

The boat looks so much better w/o that thing on the bow.
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Old 10-03-2018, 10:20 PM   #12
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FYI, 4788 Meridian/Bayliner is 47'4" on deck, 53'11"LOA.

Hence the need to see if it practical to shorten the LOA. there's about 6 ft of bow pulpit and swim step. The 4788 checks alot of the boxes in my quest for another boat .. My Grady stored the anchor at about a 60 degree down angle without any issues. and many boats the size of the 4788 don't have pulpits, the Defever didn't, NTs don't. Hinging the pulpit is an option... I was hoping someone else had solved this issue.
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Old 10-03-2018, 10:29 PM   #13
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Many boats I know have shortened or hinged the bowsprit to fit in a boathouse.
A Google search on 4788 revealed this.............
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Many boats I know have shortened or hinged the bowsprit to fit in a boathouse.
A Google search on 4788 revealed this.............

Perfect, Thanks.
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Old 10-04-2018, 01:37 AM   #15
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Why not hinged?

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As we look for a different boat I need to be concerned about the over all length. Some of the boats that I have looked at have a 3 ft long bow pulpit and 3 ft wide swim step reducing the width of the swim step seems straight forward. I wondered if anyone has eliminated or substantially shortened their bow pulpit. It seems that the anchor orientation when stowed would be more vertical. then horizontal I really don,t want to reposition the anchor windlass I think it would raise havoc with the way the chain falls into the locker. Anyone done this?
I saw a Hyundai 49 on yacht world that had a hinged pulpit. It was raised when in a slip and not needed. I thought the idea was genius.

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Old 10-04-2018, 06:33 AM   #16
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Having witnessed bow pulpit abuse in many forms, I would be leery of a hinged one unless it looked like the workings of a bascule bridge.

A totally hinged swim pkatform though is an easier design in my mind.....
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Old 10-04-2018, 08:32 AM   #17
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Bow pulpits are frail and flimsy. What happens when you run into something? The pulpit isn’t any match for the many tons of inertia that would be applied even at one or two knots. I’ supprised we don’t hear more stories about bow damage.

Perhaps skippers aren’t inclined to tell tales of their incompetence. The pulpit is easy to repair. But damage to the pulpit is fly stuff compared to what will likely happen to the hull or foredeck in the bow where the pulpit attaches. But it does appear that it happens only rarely. Appear

But a hinged pulpit would solve the moorage issue.
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Old 10-04-2018, 09:52 AM   #18
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Many pulpits are not necessarily flimsy, nor should they be as they serve an important purpose on some boats.

I have seen many impale another boat with nothing more than scratches.

One rammed me while at anchor last year and thumped my boat pretty hard.....no damage but a big scratch to me.
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Old 10-04-2018, 11:31 AM   #19
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OK so you’re poo pooing my post. I can’t see that as I stated I’ve seen no evidence I’m right. But it’s not a prevailant issue to be sure.
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I have seen photos of several 4788s that have had the bow pulpit removed. The one in the post #13 above or one very similar to it is also posted on the Bayliners Owners forum with details and photos of how it was done. There was a 4788 for sale in Tampa that had a really nice setup done to it. The anchor went down through the deck and came out on the stem. Lots of custom stainless work for that one.
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