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Old 03-07-2016, 05:36 PM   #101
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When we purchased our Defever 44 it had the original Princess electric range. The burners took forever to heat up and the oven was smaaal.

I always wonder when I hear comments like the one above. Did you have a 240 volt stove or 240 volt burners?

The reason I ask is that I have a princess stove and oven vintage 2001. I put a pot of water for tea on it and it's hot in about 5 minutes.

Yes, the oven is small but you can only fit so big of an oven in so much space.

I just cannot imagine ripping out a stove and replacing it with a piece of wood.
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Old 03-07-2016, 05:49 PM   #102
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I always wonder when I hear comments like the one above. Did you have a 240 volt stove or 240 volt burners?

The reason I ask is that I have a princess stove and oven vintage 2001. I put a pot of water for tea on it and it's hot in about 5 minutes.

Yes, the oven is small but you can only fit so big of an oven in so much space.

I just cannot imagine ripping out a stove and replacing it with a piece of wood.
I ripped out the stove primarily because it was junk, unsightly, unclean-able, not something one would be proud to be seen. But you raise a good question as to voltage. I think it was 120V, not 240V. If 240V then I would have expected quicker heating. As for the piece of wood, we are quite happy with it. In the end we are likely to cut out a portion of it to drop in an induction cook top with enough "wood" left over to make for a nice, usefully large cutting board. If I had 240V power supply, I would have opted for a household 20-inch stove with a decent-sized oven rather than those almost useless ovens found in marine ranges. So, given that (IMHO) the ovens in marine ranges are useless, then opting for just a cook top and using the underside for additional storage seems to me to make good sense.
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Old 03-07-2016, 07:24 PM   #103
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I ripped out the stove primarily because it was junk, unsightly, unclean-able, not something one would be proud to be seen. But you raise a good question as to voltage. I think it was 120V, not 240V. If 240V then I would have expected quicker heating. As for the piece of wood, we are quite happy with it. In the end we are likely to cut out a portion of it to drop in an induction cook top with enough "wood" left over to make for a nice, usefully large cutting board. If I had 240V power supply, I would have opted for a household 20-inch stove with a decent-sized oven rather than those almost useless ovens found in marine ranges. So, given that (IMHO) the ovens in marine ranges are useless, then opting for just a cook top and using the underside for additional storage seems to me to make good sense.
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Old 03-07-2016, 07:29 PM   #104
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We are still struggling with what to do about the lack of an oven. At home we make a pizza for supper (home-made dough)nearly every Saturday which requires at least 500 degrees and preferable 550 or more. Baker's Pride makes a table top pizza oven and a regular oven that we are considering but they are costly, about $1,500 but a new marine range is about the same price. Plus, it would eat up valuable counter top space. I do wish there were a convection microwave combo oven that would give me 550 degrees but I don't think one exists. Oh well, everything is a compromise on a boat.
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A BBQ with a lid should work. Eg Weber BabyQ, Zeigler & Brown. Probably others, some might be cheaper (and junk, or not). If you have two burners, preferably 3 then getting the heat is no problem. Decent brands have accessories needed for pizza.
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Old 03-07-2016, 07:39 PM   #105
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If your boat comes equipped with an electric galley and air conditioning, just make sure you have an adequate genset aboard. Have none of that, thank you.
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Old 03-08-2016, 07:46 AM   #106
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If your boat comes equipped with an electric galley and air conditioning, just make sure you have an adequate genset aboard. Have none of that, thank you.
We have a 12.5Kw Kohler and a 7.7Kw Westerbeke aboard. What's nice about having them is I can use them or not use them. Not aboard, then options greatly limited.
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Old 03-08-2016, 10:51 AM   #107
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We have a Magic Chef propane stove/oven. Our propane tank is only 1 gallon so I bought a new spare 1 gallon tank plus a steak saver as a backup to the spare. In a 5 week cruise to the east coast of FL, we only used 0.6 gal of propane! I wish our fridge was propane too.
OTOH, we just met a fellow trawler owner with an electric stove. You don't even make a cup of tea without starting up the generator or having a large inverter on-board or hooked to shorepower.
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:25 PM   #108
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Hummm. When away from the dock I make a pot with the Mr Coffee without using genset. No problem. It all depends on cruising style and equipment as to what works for you.

These threads always morph into is a genset good or bad. Tis a shame because for one's particular boat size, setup and desires - coffee and soup can be made via so many means . In the old days the Coleman, dutch oven or alcohol stove worked wonders.
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These threads always morph into is a genset good or bad.
Yeah, I kinda noticed that too.

Toss in a half dozen irrelevant pictures that take up 7/8 of the acreage and the simple Q&A wouldn't have gone beyond page 1.

Gives me something to read while on the throne though.
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We replaced our 20+ year old propane Princess with a new electric Princess when we purchased Poach. I don't like propane's moisture issues nor the risk of fire or worse. We generally only cook on the stove at supper time when we run the genset to top off the batteries. I agree we use the bbq more than the stove. The stove gets hot in a reasonable amount of time and stays hot. The oven is smaller than the one at the house, but I have never thought it inadequate. Coffee and the toaster if used, are off the inverter.
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Old 03-08-2016, 02:07 PM   #112
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If we were still in Alaska I'd would like a generator. When at anchor usually nobody to irritate but here in WA I don't know if I'm going to be able to cope w all the people and boats. Have'nt really got out there yet so don't really know.

But we don't have room or the money for electric stoves and a generator. So we are stuck w the propane but truthfully I can't imagine not using it even if we had a 50' boat and bags of money. I just don't see anything wrong with it. But I'd like to have the gen and a get home and lots of other stuff.

But I'd still use a propane cook stove and when we arrived at an anchorage our house batts would be fully charged. So with our new LED lights and being frugal about other electrical consumption I really don't see that we'd need to run "our" generator at anchor ... unless we stayed multiple days in the same anchorage. And then we could run the generator in the middle of the afternoon.

Having said that why don't others do what I just outlined and rarely run the generator in the morning or evening at anchor? I've never had a gen and there are elements of this that I'm not aware of. But I sure don't see it. It looks like people just run generators because it's convenient.
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Convenient | Definition of Convenient by Merriam-Webster

Full Definition of convenient
  1. 1 obsolete : suitable, proper
  2. 2 a : suited to personal comfort or to easy performance <meeting at a convenient time>b : suited to a particular situation <a convenient excuse>c : affording accommodation or advantage <found it convenient to deal with both problems at the same time>
  3. 3 : being near at hand : close <a location convenient to the train station>
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Having said that why don't others do what I just outlined and rarely run the generator in the morning or evening at anchor? I've never had a gen and there are elements of this that I'm not aware of. But I sure don't see it. It looks like people just run generators because it's convenient.
Because many have all 110 systems. They need to run the genset for cooking, hot water, entertainment systems, etc.... Most of do the majority of our cooking in the morning and the evening. Those that like to watch television etc... will do it in the evening for the most part. They use the genset for more than just charging the batteries.
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Because many have all 110 systems. They need to run the genset for cooking, hot water, entertainment systems, etc.... Most of do the majority of our cooking in the morning and the evening. Those that like to watch television etc... will do it in the evening for the most part. They use the genset for more than just charging the batteries.
Thank you...and for those that don't even get what you just said....here's a bit more for them...

My boat is my home...not some weekender or a couple time a year week escape tool....I am on it 365X24....I am NOT trying to "get away from it all".....telling me to go without anything is like telling any homeowner to "rough it"...bullcrap.

Fine, be a minimalist ....I don't care...and recommend being a minimalist to others. But telling me how to run or enjoy my boat is hysterical. Better than the comedy channel......
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Having said that why don't others do what I just outlined and rarely run the generator in the morning or evening at anchor? I've never had a gen and there are elements of this that I'm not aware of. But I sure don't see it. It looks like people just run generators because it's convenient.
I guess I would agree that for us genset use is purely a matter of convenience, and I am fine with that. But my boat consumes so much electricity that the impact on our lifestyle of not running the genset 24/7 would be intolerable.
By the way, our genset is so quiet, I am confident that it cannot be heard by other boaters.
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I boat along the Gulf Coast. Temps dictate use of A/Cs. I have as many hours on the genny as the mains. My boat is an electric pig; electric stove, 110ac refrig, hot water, along with stereo and tvs. When at anchor genny runs all night. Next morning after breakfast, coffee and clean-up I'll get underway then stop the genny for several hours until heat becomes an issue again.
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Old 03-08-2016, 06:28 PM   #118
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Galley hardware that has evolved over the years, and what they run on:

Coffee maker- inv or gen
Rice cooker- inv or gen
Toaster over- inv or gen
Hot plate- gen
Fridge- inv or gen
One burner stove- camp propane bottle
Grill- camp propane bottle

I had a microwave, but it ate too much space and I rarely used it. And hated the stupidly complex keypad controls. Gone.

I can run any one of the electric items on the 1kW inverter, but if more than one, gen is on. Usually AC is on while cooking, so gen is already on.

All the galley stuff can stash away while cruising to minimize clutter.
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We can make coffee on the propane stove ..... ect ect ect. And we use 7gallons of ice when we're away for many days. Guess we really don't need a generator. And that is good. But I admit if we lived in Florida we'd get a gen for the AC. But I would'nt live in a place that was so hostile we'd have to treat the air before it was tollerable.
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Old 03-08-2016, 07:36 PM   #120
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I'm one of the few with an alcohol stove. I'd rate it preferable to electric, but I'd rather have propane if it wasn't so costly to install and certify.

Alcohol stoves can be dangerous if someone doesn't know how to use them, but I don't have a problem with it, other than it doesn't quite give off as much heat as propane.

I also have a portable butane cartridge stove that I use when cooking a big meal, or need a hot flame for a wok or crab pot.
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