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Old 09-05-2016, 08:28 PM   #201
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Mine is belt driven as you note, so it's directly coupled to the engine and boosting as the crankshaft rpm increases. I am not aware of an electric clutch?

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The superchargers on some of the Volvos were to provide boost from idle rpm up to approx 2300 rpm, when the turbo started doing its work. They are belt driven and have an electric clutch. They work very well getting planing boats up on step. Also, even though the term common rail was not around, weren't Detroit Diesels, say the 71 series common rail. I realize the pressures are a lot different and the injectors work differently, but the fuel did flow thru a common line.
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:37 PM   #202
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#3 is the clutch. Some Volvo D6's may provide supercharging all the time. None that I am familiar with.
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:49 PM   #203
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Turbo in cars has Chrysler to thank.
Turbos in cars have European taxes to thank. They tax cars according to engine volumes there. I have no idea why anyone would want a turbocharged car in America if they wanted to keep it past 4/50 warranty term. Good bye, BMW.
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Turbos in cars have European taxes to thank. They tax cars according to engine volumes there. I have no idea why anyone would want a turbocharged car in America if they wanted to keep it past 4/50 warranty term. Good bye, BMW.
Performance. The reason I've had turbo after turbo, from Chrysler to SAAB, you name it. And I've averaged keeping them 7 years with no problems, putting about 85,000 miles on average on them.
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Performance. The reason I've had turbo after turbo, from Chrysler to SAAB, you name it. And I've averaged keeping them 7 years with no problems, putting about 85,000 miles on average on them.
I have no problem with a naturally aspirated Lexus GS performance.
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I have no problem with a naturally aspirated Lexus GS performance.
That's you. I have no problem with Turbos.
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That's you. I have no problem with Turbos.
Nor do you have a performance advantage.
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:33 AM   #208
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Nor do you have a performance advantage.
Wifey B: I do. 194 mph, 0 to 60 in 3 seconds. 3.8L, six cylinder, twin turbo.

So now that's resolved, you don't like turbos, we don't have a problem with them. That's fine, except more and more they become standard on boat engines.

My car is faster than hubby's, although not like we ever run either one of them fast.
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0 to 60 in 3 seconds
Good. Almost like an electrocar.
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Good. Almost like an electrocar.
Wifey B: Might have bought a Tesla if they'd still made the convertible. I prefer to go topless though so sedans don't work.
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Good. Almost like an electrocar.
Except BandB can drive until he is out of fuel, stop get more and drive off again.

As for turbo charging the technolodgy has been around forever now (1962 Olds Jetfire and weeks later the Corvair Spyder) and if designed well there is nothing wrong with it. Like anything automotive there are good and not so good examples. The same can be said of naturally aspirated engines for that matter...
We used to routinely see customers turbocharged cars with hundreds of thousands of miles on them, original turbo and engine and running along just fine.
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"Might have bought a Tesla i"

Buy it sooner rather than later ,

Tesla is loosing money on every car , and only stays afloat by selling Indulgences to gas hog car builders.

Cheap batteries might save them , but with diesel having far more power in a pound , batt cars with out gov largess is still a hard sell.
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Their stock price has got ahead of itself, but I personally would not bet against E Musk and his fancy E cars. Their cars are here to stay. Keeping rockets from crashing is a different story, but they are doing a respectable job to date.

Has anyone driven one of the new hybrid boats?

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"Might have bought a Tesla i"

Buy it sooner rather than later ,

Tesla is loosing money on every car , and only stays afloat by selling Indulgences to gas hog car builders.

Cheap batteries might save them , but with diesel having far more power in a pound , batt cars with out gov largess is still a hard sell.
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"Might have bought a Tesla i"

Buy it sooner rather than later ,

Tesla is loosing money on every car , and only stays afloat by selling Indulgences to gas hog car builders.

Cheap batteries might save them , but with diesel having far more power in a pound , batt cars with out gov largess is still a hard sell.
I think perhaps their ultimate money maker will not be in cars. I don't drive a car enough to justify electric. As my wife implied, we did look at the Tesla Spider online, but then saw it had been discontinued. I drive my car about 4,000 miles a year. She drives hers the same. And we have an SUV we drive about the same.

At this point they can capture a few customers but building a real market requires too things they can't offer yet-Convenience of "fuel" stations and financial justification.

As to their stock, I don't and never will understand. I'm sure gambles like that have made many wealthy, but I don't invest in a promise.
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Turbos in cars have European taxes to thank. They tax cars according to engine volumes there. I have no idea why anyone would want a turbocharged car in America if they wanted to keep it past 4/50 warranty term. Good bye, BMW.
LH,
I bought a 2014 Jetta w 1.8 turbo .. 170hp. Didn't like the turbo lag and a few other things. Fly by wire steering was too heavy.
Now I have a 2013 Jetta w a 2.5 NA .. 170hp. Like the smooth seamless power and much prefer the old fashioned and light hydraulic steering.

Some people buy what they like and some like what's popular. I did take a hit on gas millage but it seems about the same.

LH I almost bought a Lexus ES. Wonderful car.
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