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Old 04-27-2012, 12:36 PM   #21
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For the top I would go with the vinyl. Any bird droppings can be quite difficult to remove on the Sunbrella if you have any issues with birds. Particulary nasy dropping will sometimes almost work their way through. I like the look and longevity of the Sunbrella for the side curtains though. Leon
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:45 PM   #22
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Check out this website. Hardtotop.com Lightweight and cheaper than you think. I have no connection with this company, just happy with mine and the bird poop washes right off.
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:14 PM   #23
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I thought of using something like that years ago. I think I will install something like that during the layup next winter. Thanks, Leon
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:50 PM   #24
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What ever fabric you chose, make sure your canvas guy uses Tendra (Gortex) thread. Tendra will last the life of the fabric, other wise you'll be restitching in several years. It's more expansive but the over all cost is minimal.
It's Tenara, not Tendra unless Gore has come out with a new thread. My wife has used Tenara for years now and it's terrific stuff. Very expensive, however. If you have canvas for your boat made by a canvas shop, make sure they use Tenara for the seams.
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I like the color very much! And I like seeing another Gulfstar in the lime-light. Maybe we'll be there in a year or two. Good work.
Is this the one you were going to sell?
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I don't know about the vinyl, with it not breathing. It can get hot as it is in an enclosure. But I guess as long as you can roll up the windows, and most of it IS windows on the sides anyway... so why not? I can say I have never seen a vinyl flybride enclosure and we do "get around" a fair bit, but in the SF Bay and Delta, not PNW. Are you having this made in the PNW?
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:17 PM   #27
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I like the color very much! And I like seeing another Gulfstar in the lime-light. Maybe we'll be there in a year or two. Good work.
Is this the one you were going to sell?
Thanks. Yes, my boat is for sale, and that is her. We are not in any real hurry though. We are headed over to the Bahamas next week for a two week trip through the Abacos. Then we will go back in mid June and bring her home by early July.

When she is back stateside I think she will be easier to sell. It is an awful lot of boat for very little money, if I can get a few people to look I think someone will realize that.

I actually think your boat looks great, you are selling it short. I like the painted toerail, that toerail is a bear to refinish.
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I think if you choose a covering that doesn't breathe, you will not just be uncomfortable in hot weather, you will have problems from condensation. Mold, mildew and corrosion for a start.
Traditional Sunbrella keeps water out (if treated properly) while letting air in and out.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:58 PM   #29
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I actually think your boat looks great, you are selling it short. I like the painted toerail, that toerail is a bear to refinish.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Doug.
I'm actually planning on stripping the toerail and going bright with it. It's really nasty looking up close, and we're re-doing all the brightwork, and I like the looks of it. But I won't do the lower spray guard bright as some have.

In your cruising, do you ever run on just one engine? And if so, do you keep the idle tranny engaged so as not to freewheel? Best of luck on your cruise, I'm envious!!!!!
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If I were doing it here in the PNW I would go vinyl on top and Sunbrella for the side curtain borders. Kills two birds with one stone (oh how I would like to) Seagul poop washes off and it doesn't leak in heavy downpours.
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In your cruising, do you ever run on just one engine? And if so, do you keep the idle tranny engaged so as not to freewheel? Best of luck on your cruise, I'm envious!!!!!
Some if not most marine gears do not lock when you put them in gear. The ubiquitous BW Velvet Drive, for example, does not lock when you move the shifter to forward or reverse and then move the boat forward with that engine unpowered. The transmission will still freewheel with the prop and shaft despite the shifter being in forward,. This is why we have to tie off a shaft if we have a precautionary engine shut down.

And if you have to tie off or lock a shaft the turbulence from the stationary propeller will cause a lot more drag than a freewheeling prop so you will probably be less efficient than if you went ahead and ran both engines.
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Some if not most marine gears do not lock when you put them in gear. The ubiquitous BW Velvet Drive, for example, does not lock when you move the shifter to forward or reverse and then move the boat forward with that engine unpowered. The transmission will still freewheel with the prop and shaft despite the shifter being in forward,. This is why we have to tie off a shaft if we have a precautionary engine shut down.

And if you have to tie off or lock a shaft the turbulence from the stationary propeller will cause a lot more drag than a freewheeling prop so you will probably be less efficient than if you went ahead and ran both engines.
Geez Marin, Talk about hijacking a thread! I'm guessing the board had a malfuntion. Oh and what was that you were saying about computers being dependable
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All this talk of Sunbrella fading and leaking has me worried. Mine is only 23 years old. I've had to restitch it three times but the fabric is still strong and waterproof. I think I took it off and washed it once but that's about it. I don't know what kind of Sunbrella it is but I think back then there was only one Sunbrella. Sorry, Pacific Blue was a good color back then.
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Sorry, Pacific Blue was a good color back then.
Perhaps a less ubiquitous/boring yet-handsome color is in your future.
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Geez Marin, Talk about hijacking a thread! I'm guessing the board had a malfuntion. Oh and what was that you were saying about computers being dependable
Learn to read before hitting "send," dude. in the post above your first one up above here a bit Bilgewater asked about locking a transmission in forward to stop it freewheeling. He asked it in this thread. So I answered him in this thread. And if you think a BW Velvet Drive is a computer controlled transmission, you are in the way wrong hobby..
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Wasn't this supposed to be about flybridge covers?
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Markpierce, I have to admire your taste in canvas color, but I can't buy new canvas just to get a new color. This damn Sunbrella just won't quit.
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Did not intend to offend. I guess I did not see that little tag onto Bilgewater's post. It just apeard to be so incongrous with the previous posts I really actually assumed the software had a glitch and put the post in the wrong thread.
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Markpierce, I have to admire your taste in canvas color, but I can't buy new canvas just to get a new color. This damn Sunbrella just won't quit.
We have the same problem. Our boat came with exterior fitted Sunbrella covers for every piece of exterior teak except the half-round and bullnose cabin trim. All the rails, transom, sailing dinghy, most of the windows, the entire flying bridge, etc. etc. etc. had custom covers plus the bimini, flying bridge panels and so on. In Mark's favorite Pacific Blue (if that's what it's called).

My wife has made covers for things like the BBQ, our new windlass, the name/nav light nameboards, the outboard on the dinghy and so on. We would love to change the color of our canvas to dark blue or black or maybe dark green. But it would cost well over $10,000 to replace all the canvas currently on the boat. So we justkeep adding fuel to the fire by making anything new out of the same Pacific Blue and she keeps the old canvas going by resewing deteriorating seams with Tenara and making strenghening patches where they're needed.

Saves us a ton of money but we're both REALLY tired of blue.
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We have the same problem. Our boat came with exterior fitted Sunbrella covers for every piece of exterior teak except the half-round and bullnose cabin trim. All the rails, transom, sailing dinghy, most of the windows, the entire flying bridge, etc. etc. etc. had custom covers plus the bimini, flying bridge panels and so on. In Mark's favorite Pacific Blue (if that's what it's called). My wife has made covers for things like the BBQ, our new windlass, the name/nav light nameboards, the outboard on the dinghy and so on. We would love to change the color of our canvas to dark blue or black or maybe dark green.
You mean a bit like this Marin...? Our boat's canvas was that lighter blue, and I do like the darker better when it all finally died and we had a chance to re-new. However, it is the reason we stuck with Sunbrella, (thinking of that other thread re bimini material), as it is hard to kill.
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