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Old 07-26-2015, 04:24 PM   #1
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Florida fishing teenagers missing.

Capsized Boat Found in Search for Boys Missing Off Florida Coast - NBC News
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:36 PM   #2
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Oh boy, are the opinions going to fly over that one.
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But probably few with truly enough info to be worth a dang....
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:38 PM   #4
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Sounds like the USCG is doing their job

Thoughts and prayers for the kids, their families, and those searching for them...

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2 days since departure....unless there is something pretty outstanding.....the search now is well beyond USCG resource capability.

Usually we called in the Navy by the second day, the Air Force also by the third day and after that we just satisfied the politicians trying to look good. The Gulf Stream in that region makes it all a crap shoot.

Miracles happen but statistically debateable. I always hated making the call...but the experts and SAR crews knew when it was futile.

Another day or two is worthy of the effort.
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...Usually we called in the Navy by the second day, the Air Force also by the third day and after that we just satisfied the politicians trying to look good. The Gulf Stream in that region makes it all a crap shoot.
Sure does man

Things may have changed a bit since you and I were in.
In this case, they had CBP, State, Local and other resources in the air and on the water in fairly short order. This whole "homeland security" crap has to be good for something!

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...Miracles happen but statistically debateable. I always hated making the call...but the experts and SAR crews knew when it was futile.
Another day or two is worthy of the effort.
Yes they do, and we've all seen them
And while each passing hour makes a "live rescue" that much less likely, there have been miracle stories that just make you shake your head.
For that reason, we never gave up until we were ordered to stand down.

Oh, and I really despise politicians that want to "look good"
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Darned shame. Hopefully God is looking down on them with a kind eye.
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So sad, 2 14 yo boys, with loving families. It seems your emergency services are well resourced, but oh for Epirbs, boat and personal. Here`s hoping.
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Darned shame. Hopefully God is looking down on them with a kind eye.
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So sad, 2 14 yo boys, with loving families. It seems your emergency services are well resourced, but oh for Epirbs, boat and personal. Here`s hoping.
Amen...
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We liveaboard just south of the Jupiter Inlet and although the weather of late as been pretty benign once in the Gulf Stream they are going to move north at a fairly quick clip.

There have been a lot of boats in the water fishing but mainly close to shore, I hope they are safe but chances are getting slim.
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Sure does man

Things may have changed a bit since you and I were in.
In this case, they had CBP, State, Local and other resources in the air and on the water in fairly short order. This whole "homeland security" crap has to be good for something!



Yes they do, and we've all seen them
And while each passing hour makes a "live rescue" that much less likely, there have been miracle stories that just make you shake your head.
For that reason, we never gave up until we were ordered to stand down.

Oh, and I really despise politicians that want to "look good"
Oh those resources were available even back in the early 80s...just not 50+ miles offshore...wonder with GPS now whether their bravery is up a notch?
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So sad, 2 14 yo boys, with loving families. It seems your emergency services are well resourced, but oh for Epirbs, boat and personal. Here`s hoping.
It's a parent's nightmare. Anyone with children has imagined the horror. I hope the family finds solice.

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I always hated making the call...but the experts and SAR crews knew when it was futile.
You must have been very high in the USCG chain of command to make that call. Had to be a tough decision every time.
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The search area covered now is about the size of Maine.
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The search area covered now is about the size of Maine.
And grows exponentially by the hour......

I have always been amazed the USCG finds as many as they do.

Unfortunately not all.
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Oh those resources were available even back in the early 80s...just not 50+ miles offshore...wonder with GPS now whether their bravery is up a notch?
I should be more accurate....the guys I knew were brave enough....their organizations probably held them back....at least most of them.
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And grows exponentially by the hour......I have always been amazed the USCG finds as many as they do.
Unfortunately not all.
Some people don't realize just how vast an area we're talking about, how quickly things change, and how darned difficult it is to find a body bobbing in the water! (BTDT, ain't a piece o' cake!)
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Oh those resources were available even back in the early 80s...just not 50+ miles offshore...wonder with GPS now whether their bravery is up a notch?
I know man, but we didn't call on them as often. Being intimately familiar with both sides, there just wasn't the level of integration that we have now for SAR work at least.

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I should be more accurate....the guys I knew were brave enough....their organizations probably held them back....at least most of them.
You nailed it. Fits right in with my comment above.
Fortunately (I guess?) things are getting better.


I haven't checked this AM. Any updates on the kids?
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Some people don't realize just how vast an area we're talking about, how quickly things change, and how darned difficult it is to find a body bobbing in the water! (BTDT, ain't a piece o' cake!)
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I know man, but we didn't call on them as often. Being intimately familiar with both sides, there just wasn't the level of integration that we have now for SAR work at least.



You nailed it. Fits right in with my comment above.
Fortunately (I guess?) things are getting better.


I haven't checked this AM. Any updates on the kids?
None other than gossip page regarding family of one and Joe Namath's involvement.
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Impressed the boat was found so far from where it started. Looks like 100ish miles north of Jupiter FLA and the reports I read said 67 miles offshore. Never ceases to amaze me how fast the Gulf Stream moves...

The Gulf Stream data I just read has the water being 70-80+ degrees which is helpful. If the kids survived the capsize and have on PFDs, they have a chance...

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Impressed the boat was found so far from where it started. Looks like 100ish miles north of Jupiter FLA and the reports I read said 67 miles offshore. Never ceases to amaze me how fast the Gulf Stream moves...

The Gulf Stream data I just read has the water being 70-80+ degrees which is helpful. If the kids survived the capsize and have on PFDs, they have a chance...

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Water temp is only part of the formula....

What has been the air temp, especially at night? People are surprised about hypothermia...or even the reverse...what were the daytime, unshaded temps? Any drinking water?

70 degrees and alternate cooling and wetting can cause hypothermia in fast coolers.

Any survival expertise? Like don't drink the salt water even if thirsty .....

They need other things more than PFDs, especially at this point, people have been found clinging to all kinds of things..but survival basics never chsnge (much).
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