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Old 05-27-2016, 07:30 PM   #81
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The Flag Advisor - 1

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Nearly every cruising boat on the water flies one or more flags. But get
into a discussion about flag etiquette and rules, and no one can seem to
agree on the full set of what's right and what's wrong.

So we'll take it on over the summer. We'll research the generally
accepted practices and bring a couple of topics into the discussion.
Note that we're going to present the findings for recreational boats.
Military, government, or special use boats might well have different
sets of rules and accepted practices.

For this first part, we'll discuss the rules surrounding national and
courtesy flags, and flag sizes.

Courtesy and national flags

Rule 1. There are no real rules. There are customs and some flag
etiquette rules that have been adapted for boats. However, when visiting
another country, make sure there are no laws about flying courtesy flags
because boaters have been known to receive fines. It is often an insult
to fly a courtesy flag of another country incorrectly.

2. A vessel's national flag is flown from the stern.

3. If not prohibited, you can fly another location flag (state, province,
territory) at the main masthead in place of any private, yacht club, or
officer's flag. On a mastless boat, a state flag flies from either the bow
or radio antenna.

4. Only the national flag should be at the stern. It is considered a
place of honor for the vessel's national flag. Never put any other flag
there.

5. Do not fly a courtesy flag (a small flag of the country you're
visiting) until your vessel has been properly cleared by customs and
immigration. Until clearance is complete, fly the yellow Q (quarantine)
flag.

6. On a powerboat without a mast, the courtesy flag replaces any flag
that is normally flown at the bow.

7. On a powerboat with a mast and spreaders, the courtesy flag is flown
at the starboard spreader. On a powerboat with two-masts, the courtesy
flag is flown from the starboard spreader of the forward mast.

8. On a sailboat, the courtesy flag is flown at the starboard spreader.
On sailboats with more than one mast, the courtesy flag is flown from
the starboard spreader of the forward mast.

9. Don't fly a foreign courtesy flag after you return to your home
country.


Flag sizing

These are not well agreed upon. Chapman's suggests the following:

1. The national flag at the stern of your boat should be one inch long
for every foot of overall vessel length rounded up to a normally
available size.

2. Other flags (club burgees, private signals, courtesy flags) should
be one-half inch long for every foot of overall vessel length.


Another competing sizing suggests:

1. Boats up to 50 feet in length should use a 16 x 24 inch national
flag and 12 x 18 inch courtesy flags.

2. For every 25 additional feet in length, increase the size by one
standard size.


Flags give your boat some identity and even add some beauty. We'll
continue with some of the other accepted rules in future segments.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:08 PM   #82
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Old 05-28-2016, 12:20 PM   #83
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Some folks follows these.
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Old 05-28-2016, 01:48 PM   #84
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I have been trying to find that information. I have read some countries can be a little fussy about flag protocal.
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Some folks follows these.
So did Jeff give any credit to where he got it or who posted it? Would have been the polite thing to do.
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So did Jeff give any credit to where he got it or who posted it? Would have been the polite thing to do.
IIRC I believe he did.
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IIRC I believe he did.
Then I applaud him.
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Test of what type person you are. When you warn someone about flag or documentation rules and he or she responds that they are just silly rules that no one cares about and then some country decides to fine that person 200 or 500 Euros, what is your reaction.
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Heck...disrespect the American Flag and be cavalier about it...and see if some fellow Americans will tell you to pound sand the next time you ask for help.

I got over that years ago....but really, don't press it......
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Most typical of sailboats: no flags except perhaps their club burgee from the starboard spreader. Power boaters (less sidetracked by sails) usually fly two flags: the national flag from the stern and a club burgee or private burgee at the bow.

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Wear the flag on your uniform arm into combat and/or for a career and usually it is pretty clear which traditions can be tweaked and those that cant.

Sure different singers have their own twist...but the National Anthem was not ment to be done in pop, rap, country, rock (though Jimmy Hendrix did give it a decent go), etc......

Let someone sing it...and watch the generations of Veterans standing at attention.....if there are tears....thumbs up...if they are shaking their heads....probably the singer should have a serious discussion with them.
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Wear the flag on your uniform arm into combat and/or for a career and usually it is pretty clear which traditions can be tweaked and those that cant.

Sure different singers have their own twist...but the National Anthem was not ment to be done in pop, rap, country, rock (though Jimmy Hendrix did give it a decent go), etc......

Let someone sing it...and watch the generations of Veterans standing at attention.....if there are tears....thumbs up...if they are shaking their heads....probably the singer should have a serious discussion with them.
Wifey B: So you guys don't think psneeld is crazy, I posted and then deleted a rant and it's that he's responding to. I was ranting about Latoya London's National Anthem for the Warriors-Thunder game. I'm a free thinker, but not for this. I just don't like it.

I don't like the way the game is going so far either.
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Wifey B: So you guys don't think psneeld is crazy, I posted and then deleted a rant and it's that he's responding to. I was ranting about Latoya London's National Anthem for the Warriors-Thunder game. I'm a free thinker, but not for this. I just don't like it.



I don't like the way the game is going so far either.
I don't watch basketball but we have house guests and they put the game on in the TV room right on our main floor. I heard that "anthem" and my respect for basketball slid enormously. I wanted the Sonics back in Seattle, now I'll fight to keep that crap away.


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I don't watch basketball but we have house guests and they put the game on in the TV room right on our main floor. I heard that "anthem" and my respect for basketball slid enormously. I wanted the Sonics back in Seattle, now I'll fight to keep that crap away.


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Wifey B: You can't blame that on basketball. It's a Broadway performer showing off or thinking that's the way she should sing it. All sports have had their share of strange National Anthem performances. Now, still doesn't mean you're getting your Sonics back. Well, they're sort of still around, down after three to the Warriors. We have to root for Curry. And to be honest as much as I disliked it, the reaction I've seen on the web has been nearly 50/50. Half say she killed it, half say it was horrible. No one in the middle.
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Kinda makes you wonder why people will risk their lives to protect the freedoms of some who can't seem to respect snything..... at least the crowd agreed...
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"1. The national flag at the stern of your boat should be one inch long
for every foot of overall vessel length rounded up to a normally
available size."

Great rule , the bigger the better , BUT it should not drag in the water if stern pole mounted.
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Part 2 from Active Captain


>>> The Flag Advisor - 2 >>>

A few weeks ago we did a newsletter segment documenting some of the
rules regarding flying flags on recreational vessels which was
unexpectedly well received. Many of us like to fly flags and appreciate
knowing some of the traditions surrounding them. Please remember that
unlike military and commercial vessels, the rules surrounding personal
yachts are not well defined. We'll research a topic and provide some of
the most agreed-upon rules. Eventually, we'll make a single guide to
reference all flag information in one place.

The subject today is burgees. These are flags often associated with a
yacht club but can represent any association. Related to burgee flags
are house flags. These are individual flags custom made for a particular
boat representing a personal interest, hobby, or something about the
owner. Burgees are usually triangular or swallow-tail. House flags are
usually swallow-tail.

On power boats, burgees and house flags should be flown on a bow staff.
There is some conflict about sailboat flying location. For single masted
boats, they should be flown from a bow staff. But some references
suggest that sailboats can fly burgees and house flags at the truck
(top) of the mast, on a pigstick above the truck, or from a spreader
halyard, generally the starboard one. When flying a burgee from a
halyard, only one flag should be present on a halyard.

Again, these are suggested protocols. There are no rules and no one is
going to give you a ticket for having 4 club burgees on a halyard. But
there is a certain tradition to being on the water and it's not a bad
thing to respect that tradition.

One thing we get asked often is, why don't we create an Active Captain
burgee? It would complement the hats we provide as you accumulate points
by writing reviews, updating markers, and adding new markers.

We don't believe we should be making a burgee to hang on your boat.
Instead, we should be providing you with the ability to have electronic
burgees - ones that show your location and movement. Keep your flags for
the formal organizations you belong to. We'll continue to enhance the
electronic boat card capability to give you an electronic identity that
others can see when nearby, perhaps even a few miles away.
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Old 06-08-2016, 02:49 PM   #99
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I fly my yacht club burgee on the bow, National Ensign aft, Racing association burgee on the radar arch, Blue Gavel burgee port side of fly bridge, staff commodore burgee starboard side of fly bridge. I only fly all of them on our yacht club opening day, as the flappin' gets annoyin' when under way.
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Wifey B: Etiquette: Conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion. Prescribed or accepted code of usage in matters of ceremony.

Etiquette: Rules that stuck up people pull out of their a..es when they want to put other people down.

This probably doesn't come as a great shock that in general I'm not a great fan of etiquette. I don't care how anyone dresses and I'm not big on titles and sure don't want to be called Dr. and just formality.

Now, in this particular area of flags, where there are laws, we follow them. I accept the national flag on the stern. I accept quarantine flags and country flags you're visiting. But all the other ones, I could care less who flies them where or how. And I'm not going to get uptight because someone doesn't take a flag down at night or have it up in the morning.

I just get scared that sometimes people might cross the line between the two definitions of etiquette I offered. Not saying it's all bad, just don't get uptight if someone is breaching some minor part of it. It's like the kid making their bed. Reward them with praise for trying. Don't rip them over not having hospital corners. Trying to think the last time I personally made a bed other than when putting new sheets on it. Maybe 2004. After all, we are getting back in it later.

Ok, not reacting to comments in the thread, just to the title and the use of the word "Etiquette." Be careful. Can be good or dangerous word.
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