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Old 05-20-2016, 08:15 PM   #61
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Our national anthem message: you're crushing us, but we will overcome.

Tune based on a popular English bar song. (Reminder: "we" were all English then.) Perhaps being slightly intoxicated makes the anthem easier to sing and to listen.
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:17 PM   #62
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Good one Ted....

An anthem showing the world a young republic can defeat a tyrant nation....

And something that is hard...not easy......to sing or understand....

Those should be the basis of all American ideals.....

Ask those who have bled for this country on what should be our anthem and how to display our flag... not just those who have the luxury of living in its shadow.
Are you referring to Canadians?

I fly the US flag all the time. I would never not fly it because I am ashamed or afraid.

If I'm that afraid, I would not go to that place.

But most of all, I'm just proud to be an American!
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:32 PM   #63
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Are you referring to Canadians?

I fly the US flag all the time. I would never not fly it because I am ashamed or afraid.

If I'm that afraid, I would not go to that place.

But most of all, I'm just proud to be an American!
Not referring to Canadians ...

Just that I am not sure if others have the clarity of what simple things mean to those with conviction.

Good to go through life with caution..... but not fear.

Fly the flag you are proud of and defend her meaning at all costs.
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Old 05-20-2016, 09:14 PM   #64
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Just that I am not sure if others have the clarity of what simple things mean to those with conviction.
yeah, time to move the thread along...

My wife wants to get a new US Flag for our stern as the one that came with the boat is getting very faded. Left our good flag on the sailboat we haven't sold yet.

I will miss the flag halyards on the starboard spreader from my sailboat. Great place for courtesy flags, burgees, and required flags. I only have the bow stick available now and just can't see flying a courtesy flag from it.
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Old 05-20-2016, 10:38 PM   #65
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American Flags is where I get mine. Great selection, good prices, and they top quality flags in addition to the average stuff.

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Old 05-21-2016, 08:50 AM   #66
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yeah, time to move the thread along...

My wife wants to get a new US Flag for our stern as the one that came with the boat is getting very faded. Left our good flag on the sailboat we haven't sold yet.

I will miss the flag halyards on the starboard spreader from my sailboat. Great place for courtesy flags, burgees, and required flags. I only have the bow stick available now and just can't see flying a courtesy flag from it.
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Old 05-21-2016, 09:35 AM   #67
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yeah, time to move the thread along...


I will miss the flag halyards on the starboard spreader from my sailboat. Great place for courtesy flags, burgees, and required flags. I only have the bow stick available now and just can't see flying a courtesy flag from it.
I moved the burgee pole from the bow to the starboard railing (top deck on a Krogen 42).

Now fly my courtesy flags from that pole. Seems to be acceptable and is very easy to change.
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Old 05-21-2016, 10:21 AM   #68
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While all the boat flag etiquette sites do say remove it at night, you are correct that the actual US Flag Code does have an allowance for illumination.

Ordinarily it should be displayed only between sunrise and sunset, although the Flag Code permits night time display "when a patriotic effect is desired" and the flag is illuminated
Sure, for "buildings and stationary flagstaffs in open", but our boats are not buildings or poles set in the ground.

Historically, on vessels, the custom is 0800 to sunset. 0800 is from naval custom allowing the cleaning of the vessel before the officers "turn to" (i.e. begin work). Except in unmanned craft and in inclement weather.
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The USCG in Vallejo fly their US and CG colors around the clock even though they are unlit.

I leave my large USA flag flying 24/7 without illumination, but most of the time the boat is under cover in my slip.
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Sure, for "buildings and stationary flagstaffs in open", but our boats are not buildings or poles set in the ground.

Historically, on vessels, the custom is 0800 to sunset. 0800 is from naval custom allowing the cleaning of the vessel before the officers "turn to" (i.e. begin work). Except in unmanned craft and in inclement weather.
Wifey B: That's one of those rules too that you think about and makes no sense to be firm about. He's got it on his stern. Outside that accepted practice, why does it need to be lowered? To protect it? Not that I see. It's like flags in inclement weather. Well, there are flags made now that can handle it. I'm of the school if someone wants to fly it, fly away, and, if they don't, the don't. Naval customs on our little boats don't make sense. I say, do what you wanna do, whatever makes you happy. We're not big flag flyers but for those who are, more power to you.

I think I want an electric flag. Can just turn on and off when desired......oh hubby.....where are you.....is there such a thing? If not, needs to be cause I want it.
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I think I want an electric flag. Can just turn on and off when desired......oh hubby.....where are you.....is there such a thing? If not, needs to be cause I want it.
yeah, but will your generator handle the load.
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yeah, but will your generator handle the load.
Wifey B: They will.... If one won't, I'll start the second. Or I'll add a third, dedicated to the flag.
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Old 05-23-2016, 06:22 AM   #73
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"If I'm that afraid, I would not go to that place.
But most of all, I'm just proud to be an American!"

Many Americans in southern Euroland fly the German flag. Italy & Greece

Beggars are the problem not bombers , and the locals know the Germans wont give then the time of day.
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Every day, our yacht club asks that everyone in the dining room stand and face the flagpole for the lowering of the American flag at sundown.
Every morning (9:00 AM?) the patrons at Chick & Ruth's Deli on Main Street in Annapolis are asked to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
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Likely you are right.

I must agree with WifeyB though, we got stuck with a crummy anthem. I think the poem is fine, but if you steal a tune, pick on a good tune that normal folks can actually sing.

One of the best sounding national anthems is the old soviet anthem. Great music. Another really good anthem for words and music is "Oh Canada". Two great reasons to move to Canada, "The Star Spangled Banner" and Donald Trump.
France has a great anthem. Witness the scene in Casablanca where the Frenchmen drown out the Nazis in the room. O Canada is not bad either.
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For nearly 250 years people have fought and died for this idea called the USA.

While people think traditions should be updated every now and then....like finally accepting the Declaration of Independence ideals that all men and women are created equal....which took too long but we are getting there....some are just fine in the eyes of those sworn to defend those rights.

Is it really something requiring personal effort to change.....or to defend and improve? To improve and leave traditions to change when something more important than personal opinion thinks do?

Nautical and naval traditions are intertwined based on their origins.
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Is it really something requiring personal effort to change.....or to defend and improve? To improve and leave traditions to change when something more important than personal opinion thinks do?
What?
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We fly our 30" x 48" (45' boat) flag on our stern pole night and day. Have to replace it about every 15 months though since I too hate tattered ensigns!
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The National Flag Code was enacted June 14th, 1923. Prior to that the US Government had no regulations for flying the flag.
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psnleed,

Well put.

Think I will just keep on honoring the flag and what it means in the proper and correct manner.

God bless America for me but I served for anyone else to be able to have their own opinion.

As far as Nautical Traditions count me all in right down to the pig and chicken tattoos!
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