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Old 08-12-2016, 01:54 PM   #81
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Moving to another state because you don't like the one you are living in is not a practical choice for most folks who are not retired. We have our careers and families to consider.

Once you retire, yes, move if you want to. Most likely, you will be trading one set of issues for another.
How many states have you lived in during your life time? I've lived 3 or more years in 6 states, and have had 12 different addresses. Maybe half of those moves were to improve my career or a better community which benefited my family. It's easy to move if you're serious about improving your situation (and your families) in life. It's easier to stay where you are and accept the status quo (bad job, poor neighborhood, or bad schools).

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Old 08-12-2016, 07:17 PM   #82
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Moving to another state because you don't like the one you are living in is not a practical choice for most folks who are not retired. We have our careers and families to consider.

Once you retire, yes, move if you want to. Most likely, you will be trading one set of issues for another.
I think if you can move and you'll honestly be happier, then do it. But don't do it for politics. You'll soon find them annoying in the other state. Do it because you find living there more fulfilling. In South Florida, in many respects we're our own world and it's as if we aren't in FL. However, we are. I'm not going to penalize myself by moving when the Governor or legislature does things I don't like. If I applied that standard there are times I'd move to another country. But then there would still be some things I didn't like. Cost of living is a reason to move as well. That's why so many New Yorker's retire in South Florida. New York is great to them when they're making a NY salary. But when they retire on fixed income, they head elsewhere.

The old saying was "The Grass is Always Greener on the Other Side" but I tend to like Erma Bombeck's, "The Grass is Greener Over the Septic Tank."

Perhaps the thought is not to run from something, run only if it's toward something.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:48 PM   #83
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Thanks for all the input and replys
Some of you have posted very useful info and links to informative sites
That's what I was looking for!
It has given me many sites and info to research.

Thanks again!

As originally posted I asked for info and not opinions.
This was not intended to be a post on 2nd amendment opinions.

Please consider this post closed, unless you have more info or resources to contribute.
PS: I share many of your opinions but that's not the point!
This is meant to be for info right? If not limit your comments to "Facebook" and chat forums!
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:28 PM   #84
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My 30-06 M1 Garand

Has twice the everything a .223 round has. And the idiots that write stupid gun laws have not figured that out yet, thankfully.

In Mommie-fornia you can buy Mini-14's all day, they shoot the same round as the evil black so called assault rifle.

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Not quite. Assault rifles use a round designed to kill *people*, and they do that more effectively than large-bore hunting rifles in most circumstances. There is a reason they're used by military and militia forces, and it's not that they 'look militaristic.' They may also be fine for shooting varmints, but that certainly is not what they are designed for.

I'm sure we can agree that both are deadly.
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Old 08-13-2016, 03:59 AM   #85
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Excellent discussion. After reading the recent volley of posts, it is clear that we have vested far too much power in the hands of 9 unelected lawyers appointed to life terms, especially when they are so openly partisan and bias in their opinions. What ever happened to justice being blind?
Those nine unelected lawyers whom you deride comprise one leg of our three legged stool which is the very foundation of our great country. Sure, most folks disagree from time to time with some of the Court's decisions but, if one believes in the wisdom of our founding fathers, if fact, if one believes in our Constitution, all of it, then one must support the legitimacy of the SCOTUS. The alternatives are an unchecked and oppressive Congress (are not all Congress-members partisan by definition?) or, worse, a dictatorial president. It is the Supreme Court that is the check and balance the keeps our country on course, albeit, sometimes with a bit of cross-track error. It is elections that bring us back to course. That is why this election is so important. The next president will shape the SCOTUS for generations. The Court has been dominated by conservatism (bias to some, to others, not) for thrity years. A generational shift is looking more and more likely. I express no opinion on whether this is good or bad. As to the quoted opinion, I do agree that there is open bias but how could there not be? We are all shaped by our life's experiences, how we were brought up, our environment. To expect that, as individuals, a judge to not have an intrinsic bias is a high expectation. Scalia had a bias, so does Ginsburg. This is good, not bad.
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"if one believes in our Constitution, all of it, then one must support the legitimacy of the SCOTUS."

Up until about 1920? or so the Suprimes would view cases , case by case in light of what the Constitution actually said.

Then the somehow they switched to reviewing cases to include what lower courts had already decided.

This means any blarney pulled out of the ear wax of a low court "political judge" has standing vs the constitution.

So political ideals , not the Constitution is responsible for 4 judges views.

"Scalia had a bias, so does Ginsburg. This is good, not bad. "

Only "good" if the ideas can not stand honest Constiutional review.

Hardly the Founders concept.
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Amen, FF. The Founders feared judicial activism.
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Old 08-13-2016, 01:01 PM   #88
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We carried handguns onboard while on the loop two years ago, just had to stay on the US side the whole way which our 5'7" draft dictated anyway.

No issues whatsoever.
Great discussion, but lets get back to the original question about bringing a gun on the "loop".

Don't try to bring a handgun to Canada. If you declare it at the border, you will probably just loose the gun. If you try to hide it, you will be arrested and deported (without your boat). Your boat will be seized and you will have to pay a penalty to get it back.

You can transport a long gun thru Canada, but do your homework as some kinds of long guns are banned too. Or stay on the US side of the Great Lakes and take the long way around by Detroit.
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Don't try to bring a handgun to Canada. If you declare it at the border, you will probably just loose the gun.
You can bring a restricted handgun to Canada to participate in a competition.
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I have searched through the Canadian firearms regs and can not find rules for "Rim Fire" firearms referred to, only "Center Fire". There must be some regs concerning "Rim Fire", they are not liated with the Antiques, so where are they listed?
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Old 08-13-2016, 03:21 PM   #91
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You can bring a restricted handgun to Canada to participate in a competition.
I was referring to a boater doing the loop, which means that you can't claim to be entered in a competition, nor can you claim to be on a hunting trip.
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I was referring to a boater doing the loop, which means that you can't claim to be entered in a competition, nor can you claim to be on a hunting trip.
All you need is a letter inviting you to participate in a match. If you shoot IPSC, for example, you can easily get one. There is always a match somewhere.
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:03 PM   #93
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All you need is a letter inviting you to participate in a match. If you shoot IPSC, for example, you can easily get one. There is always a match somewhere.
Seriously? You can't expect an immigration agent or a NYC cop to fall for that simplistic excuse. A handgun in a holster on your hip ain't gonna fly!
The thread is about concealed carry on a 4000 mile interstate and intra country trip.

Regarding Panacea: One cannot just say: "I carry, and I will wherever I go on a loop trip." It will be difficult to continue on the loop from in the slammer. Not saying you will get caught. BUT if you do..... it's all on you for not abiding by the local laws.

The real issue is standardized federal qualifications that congeal all the states differing, confusing, downright nasty rules for concealed carry. Not that you can't have a gun (so far) but concealed carry should be the same wherever you are or live or visit. So far that ain't so. IIRC only 28 states have reciprocity. The rest don't.

Heres a link to check where you are legal to carry depending upon your state of residence.
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Seriously? You can't expect an immigration agent or a NYC cop to fall for that
It will work in Canada. In NYS you will get arrested for a handgun possession without a permit. In NYC you are lucky if you get arrested.
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The definition of 'home' is an interesting concept.

Does the court hold the requirement of equity in the the nebulous 'property' is a prerequisite for triggering a right under the 2nd amendment or can a mere casual rental suffice to be a home?
Second Amendment is not about the home defense. It is a recognition that citizens have a right to protect thier way of life and may use arms to do it.

Most of the States have gun laws that are unconstitutional in that respect. Only three states currently are an exception: Vermont, Arizona, and Alaska. A few years ago Vermont was the only one.
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Even though I agree with you conceptually, right now today the 2nd amendment only guarantees an individual the right to own a firearm for defense of his home .

Eventually the courts will test the bear Prong of the Second Amendment. But right now today that we have what we have .

If you read the heller decision, you will find that in the majority opinion they start to examine the word bear and what it means.
In my opinion they will use the literal definition along with the historic concept of Bearing arms. Eventually, this will lead to the ability to possess a firearm outside the home.

Firearms rights advocates won a huge one with the heller decision, in that it forever affirmed the right of an individual to keep and bear arms. That was always a contested issue. As time goes on the court will further recognize and affirm the keep prong and the bear prong of this very important right.

I am not saying the courts will ever go as far as mandating universal conceal carry, I do not believe that will ever happen. I believe that the states have rights to limit things like concealed carry. But I also believe that the bear prong of the Second Amendment will allow you to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle, or your boat for that matter.

I also believe the bans on semi automatic rifles will be overturned using the simple logic that they are in wide use as defensive weapons. I believe that magazine limitations will be upheld, and I don't necessarily have a problem with that.

Again, I believe that the states have certain rights, I believe in that concept as a concept. I choose to live in Alaska, we have the right to privacy something no other state has. We have universal conceal carry something I believe in and practice. I firmly believe that if you do not like the political climate in the state that you live and you have a choice. You can either elected officials and change the political climate, or you can move to a state that better suits your interests and beliefs.
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Love your optimism, K, but elections have consequences and Heller far from "forever affirms" anything. Free Americans own it to their children and grandchildren to make sure America remains free. A shift in the almighty unelected lawyers appointed to life terms could easily reverse Heller and propel these united states down a path to where so many past experiments in socialism have ended. I trust no one wants that.

The takeaway of this conversation is to pack a shotgun on the boat, right?
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Even though I agree with you conceptually, right now today the 2nd amendment only guarantees an individual the right to own a firearm for defense of his home .
Me and many others do not equate 'home defense' with the "security of a free state." You don't need a Constitution to let you defend your life, it is a fundamental right.


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I firmly believe that if you do not like the political climate in the state that you live and you have a choice.
I do agree with that. I moved to the US from a totalitarian country and I would never want to live in a state like NY or NJ or CA, but I am afraid that one day I may run out of this planet.
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Guys, can I remind y'all the OP has posted that he has received the advice he needed, so can we drop the gun discussion now thanks..? We would hate to have to close or move the thread to Off Topic, as there is some helpful information in the thread, but these gun discussions tend to grow legs...big hairy legs...get my drift..? Cheers and thanks,
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Guys, can I remind y'all the OP has posted that he has received the advice he needed, so can we drop the gun discussion now thanks..? We would hate to have to close or move the thread to Off Topic, as there is some helpful information in the thread, but these gun discussions tend to grow legs...big hairy legs...get my drift..? Cheers and thanks,
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