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Old 05-04-2018, 02:13 PM   #21
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here's the palmer johnson interpretation of the "sponson" concept. Wonder what happened to pj after they sold the operation to a european entity....

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Old 05-04-2018, 08:11 PM   #22
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There are videos on Youtube from both boats involved in the collision.

To me, it certainly looks like the Ady Gil accelerated just before the collision.

Sea Shepherd agreed to pay the whalers 2.5 million dollars for the collision.

And the Captain of the Ady Gil has admitted to intentionally scuttling the Ady Gil, on Paul Watson's orders, as a ratings stunt for the Reality TV Show "Whale Wars".

Whaling in this day and age is an unconscionable act that is un excusable. However, when a protester has to create false evidence to support their cause, it undermines the reasons for that cause. Paul Watson, as the head of SSCS, has wasted the donations of millions of dollars chasing publicity rather than furthering the cause he claims to be so dedicated to. He is hurting the environmental movement by diverting dollars from respectable organizations that genuinely care about the health of our planet to his group of publicity hounding radicals.

The Ady Gil was an incredible vessel and held the record for circumnavigating the globe in 61 days. That's a significant piece of martime history to send to the bottom for some TV viewers !!
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Old 05-04-2018, 08:23 PM   #23
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While I don’t approve of Sea Shepard’s tactics, I view japan’s continued whaling practices more deplorable. The two deserve each other.

Second, the Japanese whaling ship was most definitely at fault. It had complete ability to avoid the collision at all times. I,m not saying the Ady Gil is absolved of any wrong doing. Rule number one take proper actions to avoid collisions.
By continuing whaling in the southern ocean,Japan virtually ignores the decision Australia won in the International Court of Justice. Seems to me that justifies Sea Shepherd taking strong action in the face of Japan`s contempt of the Court decision.
I have no issue with Sea Shepherd operating here, I welcome it. They are doing what the Aust Govt won`t do,attempting to enforce the ICJ decision.
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By continuing whaling in the southern ocean,Japan virtually ignores the decision Australia won in the International Court of Justice. Seems to me that justifies Sea Shepherd taking strong action in the face of Japan`s contempt of the Court decision.
I have no issue with Sea Shepherd operating here, I welcome it. They are doing what the Aust Govt won`t do,attempting to enforce the ICJ decision.
And to add my 2 cents, we may agree or disagree with the unconventional method but at least they try to do something...

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Benthic2, you have nicely expressed my thoughts on Sea Shepherd. While I agree with the others that the continued Japanese whaling it unconscionable, I think that Sea Shepherd has taken their tactics too far.

Using the same arguments and methods one might expect environmentalists to try and run semi-trucks off the road that are delivering hazardous cargo.

If Sea Shepherd wants to get between the whaling ships and whales, that is fine. But many of their encounters seem to be nothing but harassment designed, as Benthic2 pointed out, to improve ratings and donations.

Keep in mind that I’m on the opposite side of the world however and not nearly as informed our our Aussie friends.
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Here's an extreme example, speed wise, but hints at how these boats handle rough conditions:

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The slo' mo plunge at the end was impressive. I don't think I would have enjoyed being on board the first time though!
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Old 05-05-2018, 05:55 PM   #28
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WH wrote;
“IMHO only a full displacement recreational vessel designed to cross oceans in foul weather should be called a "trawler"

Well Mr Hills there’s very few trawlers that are FD. You’re thinking of the Passagemaker.
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Old 05-05-2018, 07:27 PM   #29
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The Ady Gil was an incredible vessel and held the record for circumnavigating the globe in 61 days. That's a significant piece of martime history to send to the bottom for some TV viewers !!
True. But it also had an ugly reputation of having killed a Guatemalan fisherman in a collision in the dark with a fishing vessel while it (Earthrace) was travelling at a high rate of speed in limited visibility.

I understand risking your own life to set some kind of a record, but putting other lives at risk in the process it is a whole different story.

It makes me wonder how much they had to pay to all that were involved in Guatemala to be able to leave quickly and not get in trouble with the law.

Whale Wars was a good comedy show. I kinda miss it.
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“IMHO only a full displacement recreational vessel designed to cross oceans in foul weather should be called a "trawler"

The required scantlings and systems required , added to the lack of interior room due to tanks and stores mean few 50 fters could be called "trawlers" , perhaps 1 in 100?

The cost difference between an ocean crossing vessel and a lakes and bays TT would be 3 to 4 times as expensive.

Not many folks have learned to enjoy weeks or a month at sea.
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That is a wave piercing design with very little buoyancy in the bow section
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“IMHO only a full displacement recreational vessel designed to cross oceans in foul weather should be called a "trawler"

The required scantlings and systems required , added to the lack of interior room due to tanks and stores mean few 50 fters could be called "trawlers" , perhaps 1 in 100?

The cost difference between an ocean crossing vessel and a lakes and bays TT would be 3 to 4 times as expensive.

Not many folks have learned to enjoy weeks or a month at sea.
That is why most boats sold as trawlers from Grand Banks to Flemings are are SD hulled motor yachts styled and marketed as "trawlers". Buyers want the romance of a real Beebe style passagemaker, but their actual needs and useage demand a different boat. Like sailors with a Tahiti Ketch or a Colin Archer pilot boat that gets used for daysails and weekends.
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