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Old 11-21-2013, 05:13 PM   #21
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and NO Fly-Bridge, must give this little ship an extreme low CG (read seaworthiness)
Not necessarily and a low center of gravity can cause uncomfortable motion...looking at pics and determining seaworthiness is a huge mistake.
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Old 11-21-2013, 06:01 PM   #22
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Dutchman: That head and separate shower are really something. Do you know the layout, like if they are across from each other, port and starboard? It's hard to imagine that there's much space left for storage. Thanks for finding those photos.

The Volvo is a good engine, but kind-of like American Diesel (Bob Smith) did for Lehmans, the old Volvo owners need something other than Volvo to supply parts.
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Not necessarily and a low center of gravity can cause uncomfortable motion...looking at pics and determining seaworthiness is a huge mistake.
Comfort is not the same as seaworthiness. I prefer this little vessel for a North Sea rite well over a lot of Plastic Trawlers with a parked RV on the deck-house.

The majority of the Mega Yachts are build in Steel (hull/Alu superstructure) and in The Netherlands.

I know that in the US steel yachts are something "not done" but try to look beyond your scope.
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Old 11-21-2013, 07:30 PM   #24
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Comfort is not the same as seaworthiness. I prefer this little vessel for a North Sea rite well over a lot of Plastic Trawlers with a parked RV on the deck-house.

The majority of the Mega Yachts are build in Steel (hull/Alu superstructure) and in The Netherlands.

I know that in the US steel yachts are something "not done" but try to look beyond your scope.
If you are too beat up to continue watch with a sharp mind...you will care about comfort as much as seaworthiness...You can kill yourself from bad decisions after a rough day in an intracoastal waterway if you are all beatup from a stiff motion boat.

I'm not saying that floating condos are seaworthy...but just looking at a picture in NO WAY can one know ANYTHING about it's stability...that's all I'm saying in addition to too much stability can be a bad thing.....

Just like some here think they can determine speed and efficiency from a picture and have been proven wrong countless times...

My "scope" is not easily discerned from a few internet posts...guessing seems to be a big pastime around here...
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Reiziger wrote;
"I know that in the US steel yachts are something "not done" but try to look beyond your scope."
Your view that we should look over the fence is well taken. There are wonderful boats in this world that are quite unlike what we are accustomed to and we tend to dismiss them without much thought. Here is a good example

http://www.ybw.com/fileBank/PDF/2355...5_mby_2_00.pdf

Make a special note of the FB design. Never seen one like that on US shores but I personally would prefer it to most of what I've seen. Looking overseas is a good way to get thinking out of the box.
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http://www.ybw.com/fileBank/PDF/2355...5_mby_2_00.pdf

Make a special note of the FB design. Never seen one like that on US shores but I personally would prefer it to most of what I've seen. Looking overseas is a good way to get thinking out of the box.
Eric, check out this Midnight Lace designed by Tom Fexas. Now there was a guy who could think outside the box. Notice the bridge in particular.

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Well now, wait a minute. I guess a fly-bridge version could be tastefully done, but for the important cockpit space taken by the ladder. Of course, it could be done in a hatch-like cutout similar to a Prarie 29.
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Don what a bunch of nice lines. Those bow riding cockpits were not "out of the box" in the past.

I'm surprised the FB dosn't look half bad. This boat is full of great details like the big scuppers and the exhaust in the rub rail.
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Don what a bunch of nice lines. Those bow riding cockpits were not "out of the box" in the past.

I'm surprised the FB dosn't look half bad. This boat is full of great details like the big scuppers and the exhaust in the rub rail.
Fexas designed it in the "spirit" of the old New York commuter boats. Long and lean with easy planing surfaces the hull allowed good speeds with surprisingly low power. It's no wonder the bow cockpit caused you to harken back to that era. It was meant to.
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Eric, check out this Midnight Lace designed by Tom Fexas. Now there was a guy who could think outside the box. Notice the bridge in particular.

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If you are too beat up to continue watch with a sharp mind...you will care about comfort as much as seaworthiness...You can kill yourself from bad decisions after a rough day in an intracoastal waterway if you are all beatup from a stiff motion boat.

I'm not saying that floating condos are seaworthy...but just looking at a picture in NO WAY can one know ANYTHING about it's stability...that's all I'm saying in addition to too much stability can be a bad thing.....

Just like some here think they can determine speed and efficiency from a picture and have been proven wrong countless times...

My "scope" is not easily discerned from a few internet posts...guessing seems to be a big pastime around here...
As I not like to profile my self on a hobby forum I will let this subject as is.

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As I not like to profile my self on a hobby forum I will let this subject as is.

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Don't worry about your background...no one seems to care here anyway....

If you have a bunch of numbers on the boat then post away and we'll judge for ourselves whether it's "seaworthy" or not.

If you don't...then please explain how you can judge seaworthiness (for sure) from a picture and it's not just some "boat show" generalization.

Not all off us are just "hobbyist's on a "hobby forum".....

Now which one is the plastic "tub" and which one is the global cruiser....
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Now which one is the plastic "tub" and which one is the global cruiser....

NEITHER looks like it could carry enough fuel to do more than coast hop.
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FWIW,it's a nice little unit, however I would like to see a starboard transom door, not just for access but so the skipper can enjoy a bit of fresh air under way.
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Thank you Cees for showing this boat. It really demonstrates what can be accomplished in a compact footprint, which is exactly what some of us are after in a boat.
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Thank you Cees for showing this boat. It really demonstrates what can be accomplished in a compact footprint, which is exactly what some of us are after in a boat.
always said if I didn't live aboard but wanted a decent cruiser and fisherman...I'd get a 30-34 lobster hull and have an island queen, opposite head/shower, decent hanging locker and 2 comfortable seats below...small galley (almost camping style) up.
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I love the rounded windows... very reminiscent of the 50's and 60's. It wasn't until the 1970's that windows had sharp points at the corners. That's one of the clues I use to guess the age of boats.

But golly gee, I like that boat! She's beautiful, and steel too. You an make a lot of mistakes with a steel boat. I wonder what her underside looks like. With as much care as shown for her inside I'm guessing they protected her propeller and rudder. Hope so at least.
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Which was designed by Perkins (owned by Caterpillar), built by IHI Shibaura in Matsumoto, Japan and painted various colors by Caterpillar, Case New Holland, Manitou, and Northern Lights for various compact industrial equipment. Oh, yeah, and Volvo Penta.

This is good , a larger number of sources will not make parts cheaper , but assure parts availability in a decade or so.

All the Euro boats come with a rating A<B<C<D that is an estimate on their ability to go off shore .

A is good D is not so good.
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