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Old 01-27-2016, 01:19 PM   #21
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In the smaller sizes--- 32-40 feet--- a tri-cabin provides more flexibility if one has kids or guests on board. In our boat, for example, the guests get their own cabin and head up forward and we have our own cabin and head/shower aft with the neutral space of the main cabin in between. People can get up, make coffee, etc. without invading the space of the other people.

With a smaller Europa, like the GB32 or GB36, additional people on board have to sleep in the main cabin. Which means making up a berth, taking it apart the next morning, and so on. And there is only one head on the boat.

The best of both worlds in our opinions is a large Europa, say 46 feet. These boats are large enough to have two or even three cabins up forward. There is still usually one head/shower, often connected with multiple cabins with a clever configuration of doors.

Of course this puts all the occupants of the boat in the same space with just thin bulkheads between them, where the tri-cabin has the whole middle of the boat between them.

As with everything, one size does not fit all. So which configuration makes the most sense for a person or couple will depend on what they will be doing with the boat.
That is the nice thing about having a forward and aft cabin. While our boats are styled completely differently, the layout is relatively similar. And it is very nice to be on opposite sides of the boat as it relates to privacy.
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Old 01-27-2016, 06:01 PM   #22
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Seems to me the Europa style is a version or refinement of sedan. No surprise that IG included a Europa design version in the IG36, and no surprise they are more readily saleable than the base sedan version. It seems to have been an opportunity to offer a higher priced model, with more bells and whistles.
Our 1981 boat follows the "one sleeping cabin" mode referred to above, but others had a second sleeping cabin.
There are practical use advantages to the covered walk around decks, and I would not have part replaced teak with teak in a deck renewal had the cockpit and side decks not been covered. That said, as with many boats, I wish the aft end of the FB extended a foot or so further.
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Old 01-27-2016, 06:14 PM   #23
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Here's the Lotus version of a Europa. Pretty sexy, in an odd sort of way.
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Old 01-27-2016, 06:20 PM   #24
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Here's the Lotus version of a Europa. Pretty sexy, in an odd sort of way.
Nice.
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:44 PM   #25
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Our GB 46 Europa is very different and may well be the only one ever built. It has two sleeping cabins forward and two heads, each with separate showers. The galley is "u" shaped and is aft of the saloon, rather than forward as in the standard model. It's betwee the saloon and the cockpit. A pleasure to serve food to the outside or inside. One of the two sliding cockpit doors was eliminated to provide space for a double stacked refrigerator rather than the "down on your knees" kind in the standard boat. The fridges are the teak GB/Grunert coldplate with one over the other. Another feature is a foldout desk on the starboard side of the saloon with room for a laptop computer and associated electrical connections. A pretty unique and efficient design. The original owner had much correspondence with the folks in Singapore detailing the custom work which he left onboard.
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Old 01-28-2016, 03:02 AM   #26
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Lovely boat, that, Howard. One of my dreamboats...

I think of our wee vessel as sort of a sedan converted to Europa, by doing with SS frame and Sunbrella canvas what the new ones do with solid upper deck.
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Old 01-28-2016, 03:07 AM   #27
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Peter, your Europa conversion puts you in the unique position of having and using the same boat as a standard sedan, and as a Europa.
What made you decide to do it, and what are the advantages and (if any) disadvantages of the conversion?
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Old 01-28-2016, 04:37 AM   #28
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All advantages Bruce, not a single disadvantage. Ok, well maybe one disadvantage of it not being solid fibreglass is one would have more room for more solar panels if solid, although that could even be got around if determined enough. However, take it from me, panels mounted onto canvas direct do chafe through unless completely separated by a frame, or built/zipped into the canvas like some flexible panels can be. I still don't like the idea of a heavy object like a dinghy up there in a boat our size, which is easier if deck is solid, but that would make it heavier still. The way it is, it is almost no extra weight up high, so maybe balances out.

Some of the pluses are it gives more weather cover & shade to the cockpit, and shades and weather shields the side decks, more importantly maybe, the windows. It also tends to stabilise the boat at anchor, minimising sailing to and fro in a wind, because the structure appears to act like the fletching on an arrow. One unexpected advantage, actually.
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Old 01-28-2016, 06:02 AM   #29
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Grand Banks 10 to 1 sales of tri-cabin to Europa. Looked closely at both in the 90s and would have bought the Europa if more used ones were available - price was too high compared to the tri-cabin.

The tri-cabin offers more interior space and a large aft stateroom and large aft head with shower or tub. The Europa's master stateroom was / is smaller but you have the open aft deck and the easier access to the water.

Ended up with a Krogen 42 which has the virtues of the GB Europa.
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One of the elusive GB 36 Europa's for sale, with the desirable Cummins 5.9. These do not come up for sale all that often, especially with single.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1991...w#.Vqn3Kq88KrU
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One of the elusive GB 36 Europa's for sale, with the desirable Cummins 5.9. These do not come up for sale all that often, especially with single.

1991 Grand Banks 36 Europa Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
Nice boat with nice features and nice price.
But no A/C... Up there not a problem.

Down here - BIG PROBLEM!
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Picture mus been taken before 1978, see the old blue license plate on the beetle..
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In Europe at least, second-hand Grand Banks Europas tend to command a higher asking price than Classics.

Below is a chart I prepared in 2011 with the asking prices of all the Grand Banks 42 listed in Yachtworld.com in Europe.

On average, Europas have asking prices that are €40k higher than Classics, and Motoryachts are somewhere in between. There were no Sedans in this sample.

Given the difference between asking prices and actual selling prices, this is only a rough indication but I think it reflects the relative popularity of the models, at least in Europe.
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