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Old 11-21-2011, 09:24 PM   #1
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Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

Hi everybody. I am new in this forum as a member. I leave in Brazil, were the trawlers aren't very popular. Here, people prefer speedy boats and lluxury yachsts. But I am a great fan of these boats and in the 70`s I build a wooden boat, based in a traditional fishing trawler, copying some design characteristics of the Grand Banks. I had great moments with this boat!

Now, I am preparing to retyre and am thinking in purchase a trawler to leave aboard for some years with my wife.

Here we dont have to much options, because the market is almost inexistent. Among the few options I found there is a 40 feet steel trawler, built in 2005, sundeck layout, designed by Bruce Robert. The model is the Euro 1200, its a "fast trawler" with hard shines but very well built and manteined. Please, do anybody in the group know these boats and can give-me some impression about it?

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Old 11-22-2011, 05:38 AM   #2
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RE: Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

Most of Bruce Roberts designs are not to bad.
As most of them are home built a very close inspection has to be made of the welding and internal frame work.
A lot of them can be a real disaster.
may be you would be better looking at the USA market , getting a decent boat and driving it home or have it delivered.
The US market is relatitively cheap compared to the rest of the world , especially for older boats.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:14 AM   #3
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Hi Benn
In Brazil is forbidden to import used boats, so I dont have this option. This particular boat was professionaly built, using CNC cutting plates and by welders certificated by Petrobras, a brazilian oil company. Is well done and received a very good finishing. My doubt is about the design itself and his behavior when cruising. It have a single Cummins with very low hours in the clock and is relatively well equiped. I pretend to go north, in the brazilian coast and maybe go to the Caribbean.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:36 AM   #4
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RE: Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

Luiz,

Did your Grand Banks like boat look like this one?*

I suspect this one is really a GB hull. The boat probably had a fire and someone built a new house on the hull. What do you think Marin?
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:40 AM   #5
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RE: Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

Eric
The trawler I built looks like with the GB in their bow and superestructure appearence, but very different in the astern. It was completely built using solid timber, in a yard specialized in fishing boats. It had a single 4 cils Mercedes Benz and was very efficient in fuel, doing a cruising speed of 9 Kts.
I will look for a picture to post here to show you.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:55 AM   #6
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RE: Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

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I suspect this one is really a GB hull.
*I can see how one would think this is a GB hull but I don't think it is. Although having a very plumb bow, the hull doesn't have the faux planking that the typical GB has. Also, the top rail doesn't terminate in a "fiddle" at the bow. I think it's a custom!
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Old 11-22-2011, 07:24 PM   #7
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RE: Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

PMM did an article, ~2-3 yrs??? ago, about the boat that was the forerunner of the Grand Banks. For the life of me I can't remember what they were called but Tenacious sure looks like one of those boats. They did not really look like the Grand Banks as we now know it, but there were elements that were recognizeable.
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RE: Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

Lanoronha,
Sorry I sort of knew about that Brazil thing but had forgotten. As a New Zealand boat building Co just completed a new boat over there as it was to expensive for the local owner to have it built in NZ and then import it into Brazil. I think it was a Watson 62.
If the boat you are looking at is built the way stated then that is all good.
Test drive the boat and have it surveyed.
Sounds like it should be a good unit.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:42 PM   #9
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RE: Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

Amigo

Eu estou neste forum ha 3 anos e estou construindo um trawler de 46' em Campionas. Eu conheco esse barco pois aluguei um similar na Turquia faz uns anos... Nao e mau barco, mas o motor que esse barco tem e meio comprometedor no Brasil.

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*Whatever it is, it is gorgeous!
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RE: Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

Yep, a great looking boat. I like the way they have used the yellow to highlight the lines of the trawler
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:04 PM   #12
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Dear Fernando (Rainha Jannota)

I wrote in english so the other folks can understand our talking. I found your blog thru this site. We have very simmilar plans, so I would like to communicate me directly with you by e-mail. Please, contact-me, my address is lanoronha@gmail.com. Lets divide our ideas and... who knows... make plans together! Good seas and tides!Luiz
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RE: Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

C lectric,

The pre-GB boat was called Spray. Sounds like even the first GB was a bit wet. On Tenacious I'll bet the cap rail was damaged and homemade replacement was made. The stem looks VERY GB and professionally made so I think the hull is the genuine article. Look at a GB stem on Yacht World and I'll bet it looks just like the stem on Tenacious. The house is all home made I'm sure but nicely done. Tenacious lives in Ketchikan so perhaps superdiver knows the story.
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Old 11-25-2011, 04:18 AM   #14
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The pre-GB boat was called Spray.

Probably as a tribute to the SPRAY , considered the first private yacht to complete a circumnavigation by Capt.Slocum .
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AS too the origional question about a Bruce Roberts boat .

I would get a copy of the lines plans , and call a NA to inspect the boat to see if she were built to the plans.

I would then have the NA review the plans to see if she is suitable for your requirements.

There is a huge difference in the requirements for a coastal boat and an ocean crossing capable boat.

Then I would get the boat surveyed , to learn her current condition.

If all is as you want , start having fun!!
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The pre-GB boat was called Spray.

Probably as a tribute to the SPRAY , considered the first private yacht to complete a circumnavigation by Capt.Slocum .
*No, I think it was named that because of the "spray" you get on the wind screen when running in a light chop.
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Good one Seahorse!
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OK, FF, Thanks for your advices!

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RE: Euro 1200 by Bruce Robert`s design

I thought that the boat named "Spray" was a one-off that was sort of a prototype for what would become a Grand Banks. I believe American Marine (Grand Banks) made another line of boats that were the real predecessors that were know as Chantymans. See story here: http://oya.com/reading/article.php?id=52
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