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05-18-2018, 08:20 AM
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Member
City: Islamorada
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 6
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electric stoves??
Why do most of the trawlers I look at have electric stoves and ovens?
Seems to me that properly vented propane or CNG would make a whole lot more sense.
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05-18-2018, 08:25 AM
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Senior Member
City: Marathon
Vessel Name: silver gift
Vessel Model: 45 jefferson
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 291
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one answer, BOOM||||||
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05-18-2018, 08:34 AM
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Guru
City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48 (sold)
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,179
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Over 50 years of boat ownership, electric every time. With induction cooktops now popular and a good genset, hard to see a reason for boomers on a new build. But old habits die hard.
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05-18-2018, 08:35 AM
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Grand Vizier
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 3,815
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Convenience, since you already have a genset, and space, since a glass cooktop serves as counter space.
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05-18-2018, 08:35 AM
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Guru
City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 7,068
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Electric is clean and relatively painless. (And doesn't come with all those venting concerns.)
For example... we're either on shorepower at the dock, and we can run the genset whenever we need to while underway or anchored. During July and August, the genset usually comes on before we leave the dock (to service the aircons). The rest of the time, we use the genset to charge batteries and heat water twice a day... and it's easy to make those times coincide with cooking times... to service not just electric cooktops but also microwave/convection oven, toaster, coffee maker, electric pressure cooker or slow cooker, etc... so electric is no inconvenience, and brings with it some benefits too.
Not a recommendation, just an observation.
-Chris
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05-18-2018, 09:11 AM
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Senior Member
City: Gig Harbor WA
Vessel Name: Salty
Vessel Model: American Tug 34
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 380
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Personally, I can't imagine NOT having a gas stove on our boat. I get why east coast boaters go electric since many of you run aircon in the summer but not typical here in PNW. That said, my wife, who cooks all of our meals on board is intrigued with induction heating after reading about the Dashew's choice for going electric on the FPB.
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American Tug 34
Selene 47
Willard 40
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05-18-2018, 09:38 AM
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Valued Technical Contributor
City: Litchfield, Ct
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,775
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Our Mainship Pilot 34 had a small genset and a two burner electric stove. I replaced it with a $300 two burner induction cooktop that works great. It heats stuff at least twice as fast as the conventional cooktop it replaced, because the heat transfer is so much more efficient.
Having said that, we really don't use it much. 90% of our evening meals are cooked on an outdoor grill and if we want to heat up something like beans to go with it, I use the microwave. I do have to run the genset for that, but it only takes 5 minutes. The batteries and inverter could also handle that small AH requirement, but the genset is easy and I often start it about supper time for hot water and battery recharging.
So I don't miss a propane stove at all.
David
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05-18-2018, 09:51 AM
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Guru
City: North Carolina for now
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,348
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+1 on all the above "pros". Plus no need to schlep around getting propane tanks refilled.
We did most of our serious cooking at the same time the batteries recharged, the water heater ran, and often when laundry being done and /or dishwasher run and toaster being used. Nice to have AC running in a hot kitchen as well. We too did a lot of grilling using those little canisters which were easy to store and could be bought about anywhere. I don't think we'd eliminate a future boat just because it had a propane stove, but we certainly wouldn't see it as a positive.
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"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
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05-18-2018, 10:50 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Jacksonville
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,671
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We converted the electric stove on our 34' Mainship to propane and a PO did on Hobo. Having to run the little noisy Onan generator to boil water made the decision pretty easy on the Mainship. When we had our sailboat we lost the generator with parts a month out. We were glad we had propane. We could still charge the batteries from the high output alternator on the engine and heat water.
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05-18-2018, 11:05 AM
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Guru
City: Seattle
Vessel Name: AZZURRA
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 54
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4,281
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A little bit of thread drift. CNG is dead on the west coast. There is only one supplier left for the PNW and when his CNG machine dies he is not replacing it. The LA area is in better shape but not by much.
CNG works fine on a boat that gets used 5 times a year. It’s way too expensive and bulky to be used by a serious cruiser.
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05-18-2018, 11:08 AM
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Senior Member
City: Bainbridge Island
Vessel Name: Mahalo
Vessel Model: 2018 Hampton Endurance 658
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 497
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry M
We converted the electric stove on our 34' Mainship to propane and a PO did on Hobo. Having to run the little noisy Onan generator to boil water made the decision pretty easy on the Mainship. When we had our sailboat we lost the generator with parts a month out. We were glad we had propane. We could still charge the batteries from the high output alternator on the engine and heat water.
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Other than this unfortunate situation (and if you only have one), a benefit of electric is that it doesn't "run out" at inopportune times like propane.
And, propane leaks really stink.
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05-18-2018, 11:19 AM
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Guru
City: Seaford Va on Poquoson River, VA
Vessel Name: Old Glory
Vessel Model: 1970 Egg Harbor 37 extended salon model
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,264
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I have electric stove top and oven, microwave, and even have an electric grill 'fat zapper'which I can cook hamburgers, etc... Got if for $10 at the thrift store, it works great. I have an electric plug under the aft deck to plug into and use it outside. I did have to seal where the electric plugs in cause it would drip grease. I used Black PL roof and flashing polyurethane, it is like black 5200 but a lot cheaper. Easy to clean, the top grill lifts off the base and you can line with foil, if you want. If windy, I can cover it with a large electric skillet top which speeds up the cooking. This will brown a burger or hot dog and cooks very well. No temp adjustment, it just gets hot.
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05-18-2018, 11:23 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Jacksonville
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,671
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JustBob
Other than this unfortunate situation (and if you only have one), a benefit of electric is that it doesn't "run out" at inopportune times like propane.
And, propane leaks really stink.
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But there’s no need to run out of propane if you know how much you have in the tank. Dometic makes a pretty cool LP gas level checker for ~$40.
https://www.dometic.com/en/se/produc...gc-100-_-30582
Now a propane leak is another story but like anything else a properly installed and maintained system ...
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05-18-2018, 01:28 PM
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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"Seems to me that properly vented propane or CNG would make a whole lot more sense."
Only if you leave the dock.
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05-18-2018, 02:21 PM
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Guru
City: Seattle
Vessel Name: AZZURRA
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 54
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4,281
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The reason most new boats show electric is the equipment and install is cheaper.
Which is better is a personal decision.
Which is safer used to be a no brainer. Now with propane lockers and sniffers this is much less an issue. Electricity is not with out its dangers. Most boat fires in the PNW have been because of electricity or candles. 30 years ago pressurized alcohol was the number one problem.
Running out of propane is equivalent to the generator not starting. So now you are back to arguing a tiny bit of safety vs listening to a generator.
I have a professional chef on board, she will only cook with gas, therefore i have no choice, it’s propane or go hungry.
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05-18-2018, 03:21 PM
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Guru
City: San Francisco
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,089
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The problem with electric is the genset must be running, even if all you want to do is heat some tea water. On the east coast often it's running anyway for AC, but on the west coast and the PNW, this means anchorages are forever plagued with the drone of multiple gensets.
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05-18-2018, 03:24 PM
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Senior Member
City: Bainbridge Island
Vessel Name: Mahalo
Vessel Model: 2018 Hampton Endurance 658
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 497
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DDW
The problem with electric is the genset must be running, even if all you want to do is heat some tea water. On the east coast often it's running anyway for AC, but on the west coast and the PNW, this means anchorages are forever plagued with the drone of multiple gensets.
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What's wrong with an electric kettle that runs off the inverter? I use one at home so I don't have to mind my pot/kettle on my gas stove.
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05-18-2018, 04:31 PM
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Guru
City: Tacoma, WA & Ashland, OR
Vessel Name: boatless, ex: Seeadler
Vessel Model: RAWSON 41
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 2,217
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JustBob
What's wrong with an electric kettle that runs off the inverter? I use one at home so I don't have to mind my pot/kettle on my gas stove.
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You binary thinkers are overlooking an excellent alternative. I have ScanMarine diesel stove and oven. They came with the boat, but with three years experience, I wouldn't have anything else.
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05-18-2018, 05:13 PM
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#19
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Guru
City: North Carolina for now
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,348
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry M
We converted the electric stove on our 34' Mainship to propane and a PO did on Hobo. Having to run the little noisy Onan generator to boil water made the decision pretty easy on the Mainship. When we had our sailboat we lost the generator with parts a month out. We were glad we had propane. We could still charge the batteries from the high output alternator on the engine and heat water.
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So no inverter on your boats? That'll run a microwave which heats water (as will an electric induction kettle) and cooks food just dandy.
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"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
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05-18-2018, 05:15 PM
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#20
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Senior Member
City: Matagorda Bay
Vessel Name: Salty
Vessel Model: 2005 Defever 44
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 227
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We have an electric stove and supplement with a stowable single burner gas burner when we don't need the generator for A/C. The portability of the gas single burner is a plus as we can cook bacon or shrimp outside and not smell up the cabin. We have 900amphr house bank and 2k inverter for coffee and microwave.
Had gas on past boats and was considering a changeout, but a year in and all seems to work for us.
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