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Old 02-09-2014, 07:05 AM   #21
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Came very close to buying a Schucker. Owners have done some very interesting modifications to the stern for more lift and eye appeal. Here are a few pics:

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Old 02-09-2014, 09:21 AM   #22
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As Janice mentioned, Bruce Van Sant cruised his "trawlerized" Schucker in the Caribbean for a number of years. Here is his website - may open up some possibilities.

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Bruce Van Sant really did trawlerize his Shucker when he cut the mast down and removed the sails. We met the new owner last year. He was on his way to St. Martin to re-rig.
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Old 02-09-2014, 10:33 AM   #23
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I'm reading Van Sant's write up about selecting his next boat after deciding he was getting too old for his sailboat. Interesting experience he had on his experiment with a SD sun deck trawler that sounded like almost killed him out in some 8' waves. Yikes!

Don't think I would want to trawlerize one by getting rid of the sail. The get home sail idea and steadying properties of the sail is why I'm vaguely thinking about one of these.
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For the same reason I gave up the sail and cut the mast down, these boats are not made for anybody that does canal system with fixed bridges, but I like the boat very much.
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Old 02-09-2014, 01:21 PM   #25
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That boat reminds me of my dream boat, the Nordhavn 56MS.
Her lines are very similar, layout of mast and pilothouse are about the same. I might be able to find dream-boating satisfaction on a Schucker and save a pot of gold in the process.

One thing I admire is the ability (with fair winds) to plow along without the engine. I find sailboats a little too claustrophobic inside, but these sail-equipped trawlers have a bit more elbow room.

How fine it would be to wake up in the morning to find a stiff breeze going your way.. Unfurl the main and jib and move off quietly, waves lapping the hull and the creaking of the lines the only noise.
When the wind doesn't cooperate, start her up and head out. You'd still have the advantage of the stabilizing mainsail.
I like that boat a lot.
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The Schucker's mast is deck stepped. The hinge is forward. I have no idea if you can fold it down or not. It would make a heck of a bow sprit if it did.
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Came very close to buying a Schucker. Owners have done some very interesting modifications to the stern for more lift and eye appeal. Here are a few pics:

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I saw her out of the water at a yard up the Miami river about 5 years ago (maybe longer, as time is flying) right after what appeared to be a total refit/restoration. It was spectacular, as was the one I posted. These are quite old boats now, so fall into two categories: 1. Having been totally
restored and are excellent, and not for sale, and 2. Needing
restorations, definitely for sale, but
not priced low enough to make it viable, and are in reality closer to salvage. If I was looking to buy one, this one and Take Five are the ones you want to track down.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:46 PM   #28
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Came very close to buying a Schucker. Owners have done some very interesting modifications to the stern for more lift and eye appeal. Here are a few pics:

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The lines of this motorsailer (other than the keel) are PURE sailboat. Look at the view from aft. The bilges are so slack it makes my Willard look like a flat bottomed boat. Such a feature should be carefully considered before getting revved up beyond looking.
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The Schucker's mast is deck stepped. The hinge is forward. I have no idea if you can fold it down or not. It would make a heck of a bow sprit if it did.
Forward hinged makes sense with that pilothouse, but it must look like jousting when she's doing the ICW! Eric...what's the big deal with the bilge areas....too high?
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Round like half of a pipe.

Sure looks efficient though.
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So she be roly poly if the sail is not up? Or all the time?
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Depending on conditions, it would be very roly poly without the sail, similar to my boat.
It also has the small bilge keels, which add a bit of roll stabilization. However with a swell on the beam that is in synch with the boat's natural roll timing, putting the sails up would be absolutely necessary. Then it's a totally different boat.

I would love the extra space of a Schucker; especially the easy engine access.
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Old 02-09-2014, 11:50 PM   #33
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I have seen a few of these in person and think they look great. The windows and pilothouse doors would be a weak point, but certainly no worse than your average coastal trawler. It would roll a fair amount without any sail when taking seas on the beam as does my boat, but with some sail up it would stiffen considerably. They have good range and a nice layout for a couple.
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Round like half of a pipe.

Sure looks efficient though.
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Think you under estimate the keel and ballast she has. Her keel is so wide, you could probably set her on level blocks without jack stands...until the wind comes up.

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Old 02-10-2014, 11:55 AM   #35
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I like your swim step and may follow suit if the need rises to the necessary level. The dinghy issue on boats as small as ours is a real problem.

What's the beam on your boat? Looks like she'd be very roomy compared to my Willard.

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Sounds like more sailboat design influence. Or even using a sailboat hull mould to make a powerboat. Perhaps they just didn't put on the bottom part of t,he keel. I've seen boats w stout bilge keels on the hard w/o jackstands.
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I dont think the schucker hull is a whole lot different than these Willards. One of them is easily recognizable. As a 38-43 ft sailing vessel at 3'11" draft, I cant imagine the Schucker is that great except for points off the wind and you would have to be ready to shorten sail pretty quickly when the wind picked up. For comparison, I think the Fisher 37 (motorsailor) draws at least 5'6" None the less, I be the Schucker gets great mileage , even under power alone.



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The Shucker in your photo used to be kept in our marina in NJ. Very nice boat. he would run it to the Abaco's for the winter each year and then bring it back to NJ for the summer. It probably made that trip 8-10 times.
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Has anyone ever been on one of these under sail? If so, how do they sail?
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The Willard on top is a Nomad like mine except he still has his FB.
The Willard in the middle is a special 36' .. I believe one of the first ones made (in the 60s). It's a sedan model.
The W30 on the bottom is my boat. That pic was taken just before we bought her. All that teak on the cabin was just screwed on w little screws and no sealer or bedding compound was used. Anticipating our move north to Alaska (nice ring to it eh?) we took off all the cabin teak. Still have it.

The W30 Has a wine glass section. Very different from the Shucker. When I get my computer back (wed) I'll try to ember to post a head on pic of Willy on the grid. Amidships just inbd of quarter beam there is a small area that is almost flat. So W30s are a stiffer boat than the Shucker I'm sure except for the effect of the mast and that is considerable. But I think the shucker is more efficient as it appears to be practically round in cross section. The W30 has a little hook in the far end of the stern that I believe causes some drag. The Shucker has a very fair and clean stern set of lines. It appears very efficient.
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I like your swim step and may follow suit if the need rises to the necessary level. The dinghy issue on boats as small as ours is a real problem.

What's the beam on your boat? Looks like she'd be very roomy compared to my Willard.
My beam is 9 ft 2" (2.9m), but the pilothouse is wide leaving me without much for side decks. Would your Willard be about the same beam?

To haul my dinghy, I tie my fender board onto my swim platform, then just roll the dinghy over the aft end of the boat using a couple ropes under and across the dinghy. It works well.
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