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Old 08-07-2014, 10:02 PM   #81
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I'm saddened to see so much talk about drinking. It should'nt be that important. It should'nt get that much time and effort. There should be no need for it. Drinking is that stupid.

Anytime drinking is not centered around a "beverage" like apple juice it's an addiction and the person involved needs help. The evidence of how alcohol effects the brain and motor capabilities of humans is well known and can't be denied.

Like smoking drinking is just plain stupid and any smart person should be able to just say no. You probably now think I don't drink. I do consume some alcoholic beverages. But very few and very importantly there's no pattern. I may have two drinks in a week. And then none for a month. And if I miss it I would be to some degree addicted and the odds are that the addiction will grow. When you can't go for a week or two or three w/o a drink and missing it you have a problem.

Just say no to alcohol. And saying no should happen automatically w/o even thinking about it.
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Old 08-07-2014, 11:08 PM   #82
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Old 08-07-2014, 11:15 PM   #83
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I'm saddened to see so much talk about drinking. It should'nt be that important. It should'nt get that much time and effort. There should be no need for it. Drinking is that stupid.

Anytime drinking is not centered around a "beverage" like apple juice it's an addiction and the person involved needs help. The evidence of how alcohol effects the brain and motor capabilities of humans is well known and can't be denied.

Like smoking drinking is just plain stupid and any smart person should be able to just say no. You probably now think I don't drink. I do consume some alcoholic beverages. But very few and very importantly there's no pattern. I may have two drinks in a week. And then none for a month. And if I miss it I would be to some degree addicted and the odds are that the addiction will grow. When you can't go for a week or two or three w/o a drink and missing it you have a problem.

Just say no to alcohol. And saying no should happen automatically w/o even thinking about it.
Well said, especially the last sentence as that's where I am after 4 years without a drop. There was no one or two with me...one equalled many.

I saw a documentary where the alcohol drinking patterns of monkeys at a tropical island resort were being documented, where the monkeys were really adept at stealing drinks from tourists. Some never touched a drop, some occasionally had a drink or two, some binge drank, and some drank every day getting stumbling falling down drunk and passing out. The interesting part was that the percentage of each group exactly reflected the same groups in humans.

An artificially manipulated brain stem has considerable control over the rest of the brain when it stops getting what it has learned to love/crave/need.
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Anytime drinking is not centered around a "beverage" like apple juice it's an addiction and the person involved needs help.
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Old 08-08-2014, 08:52 AM   #85
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I have a self-imposed rule that if I have to move the boat I don't drink. Period. I would feel like hell if I had too much to drink and injured someone or damaged my boat (or another boat) as a result of my condition.

Here's what can happen when someone drives a boat after drinking too much. I was hit by a BUI boater (I won't call him a 'skipper') one night and here are the results....









As you can imagine, I have little tolerance for those who drink while driving their boat.
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Old 08-08-2014, 08:56 AM   #86
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As shown in the article: Drinking to excess can REALLY feck things up! In addition, drinking at all can diminish response time, muscle skills, and judgment calls when the sharpest of wit may suddenly be needed.

Eric (manyboats) put it well in post # 81... regarding how things should be.

Murray (MurrayM) put it well in post # 83.... regarding how things really are.

I'm going to add a small item:

If any person believes that any drinking or any unnecessary drug use is not a problem for operating equipment - - > they need to seek counsel. We've people dead and others injured in our family due to drug and alcohol misuse.

I'm not a Tea Totaler, saying to completely abstain... I am a realist, saying "Face The Facts" and don't hide behind BS that you are not at all affected by even small amounts (especially large amounts) of alcohol while operating any type machinery/equipment. If you really have convinced yourself to believe that - You Do Have A Problem! Believe me - I Know!!
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:13 AM   #88
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I would feel like hell if I had too much to drink and injured someone or damaged my boat (or another boat) as a result of my condition.
That is why I don't speed excessively. Yes, I own a sports car capable of 160+ mph and it's never seen 90. I knew a woman once who hit and killed a pedestrian who just stepped out from between cars. It wasn't her fault and she wasn't ticketed even. But I first saw her 20 years later and she still had tremors. I don't know how I'd deal with being involved in a serious and/or fatal accident even if I did everything right. But if I was driving 100 mph, or drinking while at the helm of my boat or texting while driving or operating the boat in a crowded area but totally distracted by what my wife and I were doing instead of paying attention to the task at hand, then I know I would carry that guilt the rest of my life. That's just how I am. So, I cannot take that chance. In looking out for the other guy, I'm also looking out for myself.

That's why I'm also strict on guest behavior on the boat. On the lake there was always someone who wanted to ride on the sunpad and I wouldn't allow it. One sudden large wave, not paying attention, over and into the prop. When underway at speed in anything but completely calm waters, I don't allow people to ride on the bow. And if conditions are bad enough, I require PFD's for everyone. I love boating so much, I want to keep it safe. I don't want something to occur that will keep me from ever enjoying it again.

Now this isn't just an alcohol philosophy but my total approach to it. I don't let it scare me from enjoying it, but I do remain conservative in my approach trying to keep it as safe as I can. I don't go to Biscayne Bay for the July 4 fireworks. If I did, I'd have a slip for the night. But then you'll never see me on the roads at 3:00 AM on New Years. Last New Years Eve we did have 20 people at our home but all spent the night.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:45 AM   #89
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Guys, this is Trawler Forum

I know you all know that but when we are thinking about driving our trawlers around after a few drinks most here tend to not consider that.

Do we have the same feelings about driving around our PWC's or other "small" boats?

Do most TF members even own a small "recreational" vessel like a PWC?

It seems its not the trawlers causing the accidents, its the small very fast boats that appear to be causing them.

So, if you have a PWC do you drive it after a few beers or glasses of wine? I bet you do. Actually I bet that a rather large percentage of PWC operators in the late afternoon or evening hours have had a few cocktails.

I live on the water and have observed PWC and ski boat behavior first hand for much of my adult life. I am also a PWC and pontoon boat owner, and I do drink, so I am familiar with what happens.

During the day, kids rule the PWC's on the lake. This is their time to play. As afternoon leads to evening the kids are somewhat replaced by their parents. Parents that have been sitting around having a few cocktails. This transition generally occurs around 5-6 pm. Thats when you see the older guys and gals doing 60 miles an hour on their PWC's. Thats when you see the parents being pulled on the tubes. After a few drinks, they loose some of their adult inhibitions and go for it.

Thats the time of day that accidents occur.

I'll admit that while I take my big boat driving very seriously and do not drink and drive I do not take my PWC operation with the same seriousness. I have no issues having a few drinks and going out on my watercraft. I am not going to apologize for it, or even defend it. Am I legally drunk, well probably not. At 215 lbs and at say a drink an hour or so I'm never legally drunk. But remember I am not the average recreational boater. I live on the lake, so its not "party time" all day long like it is for many lake goers. We have habits, and "happy hour" starts around 5:00 pm. In my opinion most recreational boaters make going to the lake somewhat of a relaxing party and consume alcohol earlier in the day and at greater levels that we do. They are away from home relaxing.

That said, there are intoxicated people out on my lake every Friday and Saturday evening playing and having fun. I bet none of them think they are doing anything wrong. They are just having fun.

Should they be on the water... Well no they should not be. But they are there and very little we say here is going to change that.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:28 PM   #90
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... totally distracted by what my wife and I were doing instead of paying attention to the task at hand...
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Its not the small very fast boats that appear to be causing the wrecks, as boats themselves can't cause anything. It is, however, the cause of the operators of those boats who've made a fatal error in judgment. That error might have occurred hours before when they had alcoholic beverages, or who are distracted in some other fashion from the more serious task of operating a motorized piece of equipment, in this case a boat.
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And, no, we do not operate PWC's or our tenders or dinghies or any vessel while drinking. Nor do we allow anyone to operate ours. You're right though that many consider it different. Maybe not as risky to others, but more dangerous in many ways to oneself.
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And, no, we do not operate PWC's or our tenders or dinghies or any vessel while drinking. Nor do we allow anyone to operate ours. You're right though that many consider it different. Maybe not as risky to others, but more dangerous in many ways to oneself.
I think it is just as risky, but it is the reality of how things work on the lake.

Unlike driving a car while intoxicated, there is no social stigma associated with driving a pwc with a 150 HP engine at 60 miles an hour, 30 feet from shore after a day of partying.
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I don't drink due to personal reasons and I ask that no one aboard my boat drink.Please save it for off the water or when docking over night and off my boat.If I am involved in an accident,my fault or not,I want to have a clear mind to render aide and give a clear statement to the investigator.
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I think it is just as risky, but it is the reality of how things work on the lake.

Unlike driving a car while intoxicated, there is no social stigma associated with driving a pwc with a 150 HP engine at 60 miles an hour, 30 feet from shore after a day of partying.
I sometimes am not sure how much stigma there is on driving the car while intoxicated. It seems not until there's a serious wreck. I've heard people talking openly about their DUI's, almost sounding like they were bragging. I will never get one but, if I did, I sure wouldn't want anyone to know.

Still, you're right about boats and PWC's. Some think it's all a great big party. Ever watch Beach Patrol when they focused on Lake Havasu over a holiday? Even just the boats all rafted and someone suddenly falls overboard. People obviously extremely drunk. And I just wonder, if your objective for the day is to see how drunk you can get, aren't there better places to do that? Maybe on land? Maybe at home? Well, except the lake does have more scantily clad people.

We're just very much about safety. Perhaps sometimes we take it to what others would consider an extreme. However, I'd rather err on the side of safety, than on the side of someone getting seriously hurt.
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When I used to drink it didn't matter how large or small the boat was, I didn't drink while (or before) operating it. People get hurt or killed on small boats, probably more often than on large boats.
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UPDATE: A 32-year-old man has been arrested on alcohol charges in the wake of the crash.

Whomever wrote that pun should be arrested.

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I have a self-imposed rule that if I have to move the boat I don't drink.
That is pretty much my rule as well.

Canada is quite strict for DUI infractions. If you have a DUI on your record, you will probably be denied entry to the country. If I get a DUI as a permanent resident, I can be deported.
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The PWC is banned on Sydney Harbor, because of the antisocial ways they were operated. No idea if alcohol was a factor, just glad they are gone.
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PWCs are banned in San Juan County WA where the San Juan Islands are.

Spy ... Cheers for Canada.
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