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Old 08-07-2014, 12:28 PM   #61
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In California drunk boating is the same as drunk driving. Same standard, same hit on your DRIVING record and the same fine. Both your car insurance and boat insurance take the hit. You get to pay the huge fine and could lose your driving license. It doesn't matter if someone drunker hits you, fail the test and you're still a drunk driver. If someone sober hits you, you are still the drunk driver. Way too much risk.
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Never underway. Maybe one on a mooring or at anchor. 2 or 3 if docked for the night.
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Old 08-07-2014, 04:20 PM   #63
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Open container laws concerning cars are very strict in FL. Don't know about boats.

Did anyone answer the question from a previous poster about your response to being asked by LEO's to move you're boat after being anchored if you've been drinking?

I like to have a brew or two underway, but limit it to NA beer (most of the time).
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I usually have one or two six packs of micro brew before heading out, while underway am sure to have the bottle of Jack at the helm station. When I feel like passing out I just set the autopilot, my dog can wake me up if he hears any alarms.

The last time I had a checkup, the doc said I have too much blood in my alcohol system.
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Old 08-07-2014, 04:57 PM   #65
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Did anyone answer the question from a previous poster about your response to being asked by LEO's to move you're boat after being anchored if you've been drinking?

I suspect that if they ordered (or strongly requested) that you move your boat, and I'm assuming it's for safety reasons, not a violation of the regs and such, then there is some exemption implied by the officer, unless of course, if you crash into their boat. Then all bets are off.

I suspect that people that were dockside when Georgetown went up in flames (last fall was it?) moved their boats, drinking effects aside. And I doubt anyone wrote them up for taking precautions for the safety of their boat and passengers. Same for the number of marina fires of late. Moving your boat for safety reasons and joy riding are two different animals.
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Let's see if I can post a video.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...72676100,d.aWw

Guess not, anyway, it's Albert Collins performing "I Ain't Drunk, I'm Just Drinking." - Enjoy responsibly.
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Wow....getting like thruster threads....

If you have an alcoholic beverage you'll lose control of everything and crash and burn, death and mayhem.

Just like if that thruster goes out or you try to dock without one...you'll lose control of everything and crash and burn, death and mayhem.

As to moving a boat when you refuse to because of alcohol consumption....no problem they will call the assistance tower of your choice and you pony up. maybe you can fight it in court...the tow bill will pale in comparison to the legal bill.
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:27 PM   #68
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............... Did anyone answer the question from a previous poster about your response to being asked by LEO's to move you're boat after being anchored if you've been drinking?.........
Any answer would be only an opinion, but my opinion is to be honest and tell the LEO that you can't move the boat because you've been drinking. Let him arrange to have it towed or whatever.

If you drive the boat drunk, it doesn't matter if the LEO told you to drive it or not, you're still guilty of BUI.

The best plan is to not put yourself in that position in the first place.
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:36 PM   #69
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Wow....getting like thruster threads....

If you have an alcoholic beverage you'll lose control of everything and crash and burn, death and mayhem.

Just like if that thruster goes out or you try to dock without one...you'll lose control of everything and crash and burn, death and mayhem.
Recently you posted advocating a high level of advanced training for boaters. Now you seem to be implying that it's OK to drink alcohol and operate a boat. These ideas seem to be at odds with each other.

I would suggest one of the first things a potential boat operator should be trained is that alcohol and boating are an unsafe mix.
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Recently you posted advocating a high level of advanced training for boaters. Now you seem to be implying that it's OK to drink alcohol and operate a boat. These ideas seem to be at odds with each other.

I would suggest one of the first things a potential boat operator should be trained is that alcohol and boating are an unsafe mix.

And you took the bait first.

Training is as important as anything and rarely gets discussed compared to many of the absurd and trivial things some here seem to hold so dear.

If you think one or two beers make a person unsafe or irresponsible...good for you.

I think a lot of things are irresponsible...maybe even unsafe....covering them all would be just as silly as some of the things I have seen here said about careful and limited consumption of alcoholic beverages.

At least I know I'm not a hypocrite and weigh all risks and remedies when I boat.

Again...if most out there think a beer or two in the average person is going to make or break boating...thankfully it's only opinions and we haven't entered either a police state or the twilight zone either.

I'll be glad to bow out of this discussion as long as there's no direct fingers pointed in my direction.
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And you took the bait first.

Training is as important as anything and rarely gets discussed compared to many of the absurd and trivial things some here seem to hold so dear.

If you think one or two beers make a person unsafe or irresponsible...good for you.

I think a lot of things are irresponsible...maybe even unsafe....covering them all would be just as silly as some of the things I have seen here said about careful and limited consumption of alcoholic beverages.

At least I know I'm not a hypocrite and weigh all risks and remedies when I boat.

Again...if most out there think a beer or two in the average person is going to make or break boating...thankfully it's only opinions and we haven't entered either a police state or the twilight zone either.

I'll be glad to bow out of this discussion as long as there's no direct fingers pointed in my direction.
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:57 PM   #72
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For my life, I may Dink and drink...with the trawler...a beer with lunch...bout it until she is secure..iced tea, water, fine...no more...until secure
I will drink with a dinghy run but Never in measurable amounts when running the big boat.
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:57 PM   #73
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And you took the bait first.

Training is as important as anything and rarely gets discussed compared to many of the absurd and trivial things some here seem to hold so dear.

If you think one or two beers make a person unsafe or irresponsible...good for you.

I think a lot of things are irresponsible...maybe even unsafe....covering them all would be just as silly as some of the things I have seen here said about careful and limited consumption of alcoholic beverages.

At least I know I'm not a hypocrite and weigh all risks and remedies when I boat.

Again...if most out there think a beer or two in the average person is going to make or break boating...thankfully it's only opinions and we haven't entered either a police state or the twilight zone either.

I'll be glad to bow out of this discussion as long as there's no direct fingers pointed in my direction.
That a sober statement?? Just wondering!!
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I wonder if the real question to be asking is not "How much impairment on your part are you willing to accept?" but "How much impairment on the part of other boaters are you willing to accept?"

While there are all kinds of potential impairments to one's boating--- physical handicaps, lack of training, lack of experience, etc.--- the one this thread seems to be about is is the reduction of mental capability in terms of observation, comprehension, judgement, and reaction due to the consumption of alcohol.

Back in the late 80s or early 90s, Aeroflot had a daily flight into Seatac airport. The flight typically arrived in the evening after dark. One evening the flight arrived as scheduled at which point the crew made not one, but two final approaches to Highway 99, which runs roughly parallel to the runways at Seatac a half mile or perhaps more to the east. Highway 99 is a very busy road in the Seatac area, and the vehicle traffic is very obvious from the air, even at night in less than ideal weather.

Fortunately, after two attempts to land the plane on the highway, someone on the flight deck either realized their mistake, or the tower finally got through to them, and their third attempt was lined up with an actual runway.

The Russian flight crew was found to have imbibed "a bit" of vodka during the flight. Didn't matter if the passengers behind them were drinking or not. Their future was tied directly to the capabilities of the guys up front.

So, if you are sitting on your boat in an anchorage, or jockying for position at the fuel dock, or transiting a lock, or maneuvering through a tight harbor, or following a narrow, twisting waterway, or simply going in a straight line minding your own business in the middle of the bay, what level of impairment are you willing to accept among the operators of the boats around you?

What degree of reaction time impairment are you okay with on the part of the operator of the boat coming around the corner at you, or trying to dock in front of your boat on a windy day? How much distance judgment impairment are you wiling to accept on the part of the operator who's fitting his boat into the lock alongside you? If you're sport trolling for salmon, how much attention and observation impairment are you willing to accept on the part of the other sportfishermen who are dragging their gear through the water near your boat?

If one is willing to accept the risk of endangerment to one's own boat from operators who see nothing wrong with having their own faculties impaired, even just "a tiny bit," by the consumption of alcohol, then I guess there is nothing wrong with posing the same risk to everyone else by consuming alcohol on one's own boat. Right?

BTW, endangerment does not have to mean death and destruction to all involved. Endangerment can mean having the teak handrail on one's boat broken by another boater who "slightly misjudged" the distance as he put his boat in front of yours on the dock.

We broke a teak handrail on the GB we chartered back in 1997. Not because of any alcoholic impairment but because of inexperience and a basic mistake with a mooring line on our part. The repair bill was over $3,000.

Mistakes and accidents happen and things get broken. The question is, is one willing to increase the risk of an accident by accepting some level of judgmental, observational, and reaction impairment on the part of the boaters around them? And if so, what level of impairment on board the boats around you is acceptable?
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Boating while impaired is an offence under the Criminal Code of Canada.

Operators with more than 80 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood are liable to the following fines:

1st offence : at least $600 fine
2nd offence : at least 14 days of imprisonment
3rd offence : at least 90 days of imprisonment
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Alcohol may be consumed on board the pleasure craft only if it meets all of the following conditions:

The vessel has permanent sleeping facilities
The vessel has permanent cooking facilities
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The vessel is anchored or secured alongside a dock
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(If you think one or two beers make a person unsafe or irresponsible...good for you.)

If you can handle one or two beers, great! I'm talking about over the limit. Nobody wants to stop a good time but here in the delta you get a demonstration of drunk boating every holiday weekend. I don't know if they consider open containers a violation. Got diabetes and stopped drinking... no sense wasting carbs on booze when there's chocolate and ice cream!
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I would like to see everyone's opinions on the subject of operating a boat while drinking.
Not underway, not at anchor (have CQR ). When tied to a dock is ok.
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I wonder if the real question to be asking is not "How much impairment on your part are you willing to accept?" but "How much impairment on the part of other boaters are you willing to accept?"
As to us and our boat, I'm not willing to accept any. As to others, if I had to answer, while I'd prefer none when operating, I'm willing to accept anything that keeps them below .05, but then I do accept the .08 limit most states have.

The reality, however, is that most of the serious alcohol related accidents far exceed the .08 level. It's amazing how many people will try to operate a boat at a .20 level.

It's like speeding on the highway, how much is ok? Most think 5 mph over or 10 mph over is. Most would say 150 mph isn't. Then there's everything in between and all the other factors.

I wish people would better recognize their own limitations. Unfortunately alcohol tends to make many unaware of theirs. I will say this too and that is that alcohol on the water was far more an issue on the lake we lived on than it is on the coast. It was every weekend and many times worse every holiday. On the coast it seems more an issue at special events.

I've not seen a lot of trawler's run dangerously due to alcohol. And the slower speed reduces the risk of serious problems.

I do also put a stricter burden on anyone carrying passengers for hire. Then I do think it should be zero, but I don't think drinking on the job is good in any job and especially a job that can endanger lives.
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