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Old 05-03-2015, 11:19 PM   #81
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Is it a Rocna grapple?...
Could it be a Rocna Grappa?
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Old 05-04-2015, 01:52 AM   #82
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I enjoyed all the airplane landing comments, I just wonder how well a plane would land if the runway was moving with a 3 or 4 knot current.
I somewhat take exception to the wind and current being referred to as "threats", I am sure that they can be at times but not always.
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ANYTHING that can be a threat "sometimes" should be considered a threat ALL the time. I realize you can use some adverse conditions to your advantage. But generally, wind and tide are a threat to your operation. Even in your example, the tide was a threat until it shifted in the other direction. Your master knew the threat....and he waited for it to minimize.
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And as far as the questions of "how did you get good...."....
My answer would be humility. You never ever assume that you are good or that you have mastered the art. You are in a continuous state of trying to master it.

The drummer for Rush, Neil Peart, said it perfectly in an interview. The interviewer asked him if he ever got tired of playing the song "Tom Sawyer" in concert. His Answer......"No because I haven't played it perfectly yet!!!".....and he wrote the song!!!!
There is a lot to be learned in that simple statement!!!!
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Old 05-04-2015, 10:57 AM   #85
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And as far as the questions of "how did you get good...."....
My answer would be humility. You never ever assume that you are good or that you have mastered the art. You are in a continuous state of trying to master it.

The drummer for Rush, Neil Peart, said it perfectly in an interview. The interviewer asked him if he ever got tired of playing the song "Tom Sawyer" in concert. His Answer......"No because I haven't played it perfectly yet!!!".....and he wrote the song!!!!
There is a lot to be learned in that simple statement!!!!


That's a great quote. The way I saw it, every flight is just a series of thousands and thousands of corrections, most we never think about and a few we can never forget. No flight ever came off without a mistake being made in some small way. Most mistakes are subsequently compensated for, but they occurred nonetheless.

After each flight, I'd review my significant mistakes in my mind as a sort of personal skills inventory and devise a way to prevent it in the future...much like a flight instructor would review a student's performance.

Boating is much the same...a series of corrections and recorrections. I make mistakes and then I correct. Sometimes along the way, I learn how to avoid the mistake in the first place, but without a plan, it ain't gonna happen by chance.

This weekend I was at a fishing club campout. One of the new guys was having troubles maneuvering and handling his new-to-him 23 ft cuddy and asked for help. So I went out with him and observed his operation, then made suggestions on how I'd do it differently. He was very receptive and saw an immediate improvement in his performance which led to greater confidence.

Then we came in to the marina to dock. It seems that every docking event is a near-emergency with this guy and he keeps blaming his wife for not doing it right. As it turns out, this guy has ZERO anticipation skills. He only reacts to events and does not plan ahead in his mind to avoid problems. He never discusses what he needs or expects from his wife while docking. It's like he expects it all to go well by chance! I've never met a boater like him before but I'm sure there are plenty out there.
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Old 05-04-2015, 11:17 AM   #86
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Sort of like learning to sail. Learning to sail takes maybe an hour. Learning to sail well takes the rest of your life.
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It seems that every docking event is a near-emergency with this guy and he keeps blaming his wife for not doing it right. As it turns out, this guy has ZERO anticipation skills. He only reacts to events and does not plan ahead in his mind to avoid problems. He never discusses what he needs or expects from his wife while docking. It's like he expects it all to go well by chance! I've never met a boater like him before but I'm sure there are plenty out there.
I think there are a lot of those out there. I(we) take for granted our aviation background and how important it is to brief everyone that is participating in the event. One of my passengers once asked me if flying big planes has any relation to operating a boat. And my answer was that that it certainly helps. Not necessarily the immediate dynamics of it all....but the mindset. I get into much hairyer situations in an airplane where the consequences of mistakes are obviously extreme. Like I said in 2008 when this thread was started....you have to know your threats and you have to have a plan to mitigate/eliminate those threats. And you must brief those involved with how you are going to execute that plan and be open to suggestions. And if you get into an "Unsafe Aircraft State"(UAS) you have to be able to recover. Recovery is your last chance at avoiding an incident/accident. That is when you have to "do some of that pilot shit".

As the saying goes.....a superior pilot uses his superior judgement so he does not have to use/rely on his superior skill!!!!
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It seems that every docking event is a near-emergency with this guy and he keeps blaming his wife for not doing it right. As it turns out, this guy has ZERO anticipation skills. He only reacts to events and does not plan ahead in his mind to avoid problems.
Amen....I always instruct my crew on what is about to happen and what they need to do. (Plus, by bow thruster makes me look like a genius every time!!)
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If it's just my wife and I on the boat we know what needs to be done in a docking situation so well that regardless of who's driving and who's the "deckhand" we rarely have to actually say anything to each other as we're executing the maneuver aside from the deckhand letting the driver know when such-and-such a line is attached. Or in the case of pivoting backwards out of a tight spot while being blown onto the dock, the driver tells the person with the bow breast line when to release and haul it in as the boat backs off.

And since we always drive from the lower helm, communication is easy since both of us are only a few feet apart.

When we have guests and we feel that they are competent to help in a challenging docking situation (which is the only kind of guest we allow on the boat anyway) the rule is that whichever one of us (me or my wife) is being the "deckhand" he or she has charge over the helpers. The driver just drives and communicates only with the deckhand.

We have found that this eliminates conflicting orders and this confusion on the part of our "assistants."

Prior to every docking or departure other than our home slip my wife and I discuss the situation and what our plan of approach (or departure) is prior to executing the actual maneuver. If there are options or "what happens if?" questions we figure them out beforehand.

If we have guests, whoever the deckhand is tells each guest exactly what their task is, why they're doing it, and what their actions area supposed to result in.

So far in all the years we've been doing this, it's worked great.
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Then we came in to the marina to dock. It seems that every docking event is a near-emergency with this guy and he keeps blaming his wife for not doing it right. As it turns out, this guy has ZERO anticipation skills. He only reacts to events and does not plan ahead in his mind to avoid problems. He never discusses what he needs or expects from his wife while docking. It's like he expects it all to go well by chance! I've never met a boater like him before but I'm sure there are plenty out there.
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Looks to me like this guy's wife should be well on her way to becoming a "former boater".
I guess when he's singlehanded he'll blame the person who's not there!
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