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Old 02-26-2016, 11:17 PM   #21
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Good info on the color differences, I never knew that and wonder if some is due to the sunlight/reflective qualities.
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:22 PM   #22
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Good info on the color differences, I never knew that and wonder if some is due to the sunlight/reflective qualities.
Well, that gets into another issue and there are differences in how various colors handle sun.
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Old 02-27-2016, 12:47 AM   #23
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Well now I wished there were Florissant colors
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:10 AM   #24
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Well, that gets into another issue and there are differences in how various colors handle sun.
Yes, I would have thought the sunlight affect would favour white, as absorbs less rays, but having said that, mine are now all black, 'cause they look better...
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Old 02-27-2016, 11:22 AM   #25
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I use all 5/8 double braided dock lines. They fit my cleats well and I CAN get 2 on a boat or typical dock cleat, but I think any bigger and there would definitely be difficulty with 2 lines on a cleat. I have some 25's and some 35's. I like to use the 35's for spring lines. As others have noted, can't imagine needing more strength at a dock unless it was during a hurricane. They're all dark green. Hope they don't break.

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Old 02-27-2016, 11:29 AM   #26
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They're all dark green. Hope they don't break.
Most of my permanent "white" dock lines are all green as well. But then I am in the PNW.
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The larger the line the more difficult it is to properly tie them to the cleats; dock and boat. Like Scott says, rarely do our dock lines need near the breaking strength. Therefore, I use smaller lines now than I did when I first got the boat. 5/8-inch, braided nylon works fine for me on my 42-foot boat.

Also I
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OK. This seems to be a good place to ask.

Where should I use my 3 strand nylon that stretches a lot versus my 5/8" double braid.

My issue is too many times in bouncy waters the boat is lifting the dock producing very unpleasant rhythm.

I'm thinking spring lines should be the braided lines and the bow and stern lines should be nylon.

Thoughts?
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Old 02-27-2016, 02:11 PM   #29
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Where should I use my 3 strand nylon that stretches a lot versus my 5/8" double braid.

My issue is too many times in bouncy waters the boat is lifting the dock producing very unpleasant rhythm.
Use 3-strand laid line for all dock lines. The extra "stretch" will help to absorb the shock loads.

Too many people read that brait or braid is "stronger" than laid line, and confuse that with "better". As was pointed out, you really shouldn't worry about the breaking strength of the line. More likely it will chafe through, or the fittings will pull out of the dock or the deck, or knots and bends will come undone. All of those things are helped by reducing shock loading.

The other thing that will help a lot with your problem of lifting the dock is to make every dock line as long as possible, for the same reason.

This can sometimes be hard to accomplish for bow and stern lines. I've always tied from the "far" side of the stern, and if I can I'll bring the bow line far forward of the cleat. Never, never leave a boat unattended with a short breast line.

Walking the docks, I'm always amazed by how many people have apparently lever been taught these basic concepts.
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The other thing that will help a lot with your problem of lifting the dock is to make every dock line as long as possible, for the same reason.
Just to be clear, this is a great recommendation for two reasons; 1) By tying off to the far side stern cleat if possible, you flatten the angle of the line to the dock cleat. This creates less lifting affect which reduces the chance of the cleat failing 2) the longer the line, the more stretch you have.
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Old 02-27-2016, 09:13 PM   #31
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I use 1/2" 8 strand brait line for both my boats. It is marginally stronger than 3 strand and has considerably more stretch. For storms I move my boats to moorings where they have two 7/8" double braid mooring pennants.
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Thanks guys,

My 5/8" are frayed anyway, so well buy new lines.

Yes, thinking of 1/2" three stand
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I'll use the heavier lines for when I'm in a blow.

Also I'll get 50 ft lines.
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Old 02-28-2016, 08:43 AM   #33
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I use 1/2" 8 strand brait line for both my boats. It is marginally stronger than 3 strand and has considerably more stretch.
I haven't really used much brait, so I was unaware of this, thanks!

To me, the big argument in favor of braid over 3-strand is that it's so much better to handle. Some people like it for cosmetic reasons, too.

Personally, I buy good 3-strand in bulk from the fishing supply store, make up my own dock lines and replace them as needed.

In the end, it's a highly personal decision with a number of pro's and con's each way. I'll never fault someone for making a different decision than I.
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To me, the big argument in favor of braid over 3-strand is that it's so much better to handle. Some people like it for cosmetic reasons, too.
Brait is even easier to handle than double braid lines. I bought a couple of 120' hanks last spring when they were on sale and spliced my own dock lines. I use a single line with a brummel splice in the middle for the springs.
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Maybe I missed it, but wheres a good place to buy some dock lines? They are really expensive some places but reasonable at others. Whats the go-to place to purchase?
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Maybe I missed it, but wheres a good place to buy some dock lines? They are really expensive some places but reasonable at others. Whats the go-to place to purchase?
Believe it or not, I have found great buys on WM on pre-made double braid dock lines. They periodically have sales on them. Full price, they are too expensive.

For three strand, I just buy lengths of it. Sometimes you can find roll ends cheap. Then I just splice them myself. Not as pretty as if a professional did it, but they aren't bad.
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this is getting complicated! 3/4" dock lines for 40/45 ft boat? are we tying up the missouri!! i use 5/8" 3 strand i can splice myself...bow/stern lines should reach to the opposite end, the spring/mid line 30/40'! ever try to throw a 30ft line 40 ft!...around the seattle area, always have a set of 2, 50ft lines for going thru the locks, with an eye on one end...clyde
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There are lines and then there are lines.

I have recently added a couple of lighter 1/2 in braided nylon lines to my traveling lines collection which are easier to throw or grab a cleat for a short stay in benign conditions, like a lunch stay, fuel purchase or pumpout. They're more than strong enough for my 24K lb 34 footer. They have made line manipulation much easier and my tosses are more accurate. Also, my boat's cleats are a tad smaller than I would have ordered so the smaller line fits the cleats better, especially if stacked on a cleat.

If I need to use a heavier line for an overnight stay or tougher conditions, I have plenty of 9/16 and 5/8 traveling lines for that use. It's a simple task to swap them out once we're secured to the dock.
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My mooring lines are CLEANLINE (R) black color.

"Double braid coreless continuous polyester high tenacity rope. 24-plait weave for flexible and easily spliceable mooring lines".

Enough stretch as a shocks absorber what is one of my big concerns about mooring lines.
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I like 1/2" double braid nylon for my spring lines, and 5/8" for the dock lines. I find I can tension the 1/2" springers but can't get enough tension on larger lines to stretch them at all.

I have the WM pre-made lines and I personally hate them, they are too soft, chafe too easily, and pick up splinters off the dock and try to transfer them to my hands when I am handling the lines.

I think buying white double braid off the spool and paying for the splices (can't do it myself, no interest in learning how) is the cheapest and strongest line. I am replacing my lines this year, my springers are 25', and the dock lines are 15' (stern) and 25' (bow) so there is something to toss as I near the dock.

I am sure I would feel differently about the lines if my boat were heavier, but those size right for 30' and 20,000 lbs in my opinion. JMO
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