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Old 02-24-2016, 10:04 PM   #21
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We did over 4500 miles last year and 95% was done steering with the AP21. I use the helm wheel only when docking.
Do you take the remote up on the bow?
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Old 02-24-2016, 10:04 PM   #22
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That was the thinking behind my post. In Ted's example, on the troller, he had other controls at hand. Still wouldn't like climbing a ladder to the bridge dragging a cable or curly phone cord. Maybe a wireless would make me feel more comfortable, I don't know.
I had a wired remote on my last boat. I didn't use it all that often because I felt the wire was getting in the way. Again, a sailboat so there is already enough clutter in the cockpit. The wireless remote is wonderful however. Wear it on a lanyard or stick it in my pocket.

It appears as if many are conflating the question of using an AP vs using an AP remote. I think that most will use an AP for course holding during cruise legs, but the question of a remote is a bit different.
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Old 02-24-2016, 10:36 PM   #23
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My Simrad / Robertson AP20 has a hardwired remote with display and 20'cord.

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That's what I have. Use the remote fairly often. Did the entire Trent-Severn on the remote.
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Old 02-24-2016, 10:42 PM   #24
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Hawgwash - yes I take the remote on the bow and often out the pilot house doors on either side. I have a second wired remote for my throttles and thrusters. I have not used the thruster controls at the helm except once - the remotes are what I use all the time.
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Old 02-24-2016, 11:00 PM   #25
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I have a Simrad AP26 with an AP27 wired remote. It is rock solid and the follow-up steering is easily as precise as the wheel steering, and is even integrated with the bow thruster. The remote reaches anywhere on my small boat.

I thought about connecting a WR20 wireless remote but have heard it was not as reliable, so it will go on eBay or to a resale shop. I have no use for ANYTHING on the boat that is not as bulletproof as I can make it.
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Old 02-24-2016, 11:01 PM   #26
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I have a second wired remote for my throttles and thrusters.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:03 AM   #27
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I don't. Offshore I typically go hours without a course change, so no need for a remote. Inshore, I want to be at a helm to keep an eye on radar, etc., so still no need for a remote.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:09 AM   #28
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During periods of good visibility (almost always during daylight), I find the eyes are much more informative than radar.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:48 AM   #29
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During periods of good visibility (almost always during daylight), I find the eyes are much more informative than radar.
Offshore, my first contact is always radar before sight, and my radar givessCPA & TCPA much more reliably than my eyes. While I don't contend that visual isn't valuable, it isn't as informative as a really good bigscreen radar. Moreover, I can use my eyes at the helm but not the radar unless at a helm. YMMV!
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Old 02-25-2016, 06:57 AM   #30
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Only use for the AP remote is when not docking or in a lock.
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Old 02-25-2016, 07:23 AM   #31
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Raymarine 6000 and wireless remote.....100% reliable till the batteries get low but no real surprises if you are paying attention. It doesn't affect the AP...just like a TV remote...it just won't change anything and 2 AAA batteries can be installed in a minute.
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:50 AM   #32
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Raymarine 6000 and wireless remote.....100% reliable till the batteries get low but no real surprises if you are paying attention. .
Same here. Since I do not have a secondary hard control on the bridge, and that's where 90% of my piloting is done from, the wireless control is invaluable..

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exactly why I bought mine....cheaper than a second head.
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:14 AM   #34
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Personally know of two remote AP failures, they were not pretty. Not so smart a set of decisions as to when and where to use them though. But it is a wired world today, can even do it from an IPad using TZ touch I betcha

For snotty weather cruising where multiple plotters and radar required remote APs are a challenge. Or how about a quick power cut to miss a log? Is there not a legal requirement to have the helm manned?
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I believe a proper lookout is required...no helmsman required as long as you can comply with Colregs (still under command).


I see no reason a remote (at least the kind I have) would be any more prone to failure than other components in the AP system...probably way less likely.


Anyway, I don't think any one is saying ignore watchkeeping or helmsmanship....just "hands on" steering is not necessary if you can still get to the wheel and controls in an adequate fashion and your remore isn't on the fritz.


My remote is like a TV remote...it isn't DOING anything...it just changes the settings on the head when asked to. I don't know what it would take to send a false signal...but with as many dumb remotes that are out there...failing to work is common, failing by sending false signals I would think is pretty rare....I have never seen one.
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I have the marina installing a ComNav 1420 AP right now. It will have a control head at each helm, each control head is on a 25' cable, it snaps into a clip on the helm or can be removed for use. When it's in the clip the cable coils under the helm so it's not cluttering up the helm, I hope to be using the remote very soon.


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Old 02-25-2016, 12:36 PM   #37
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I use mine often. On a nice calm day, there is nothing like sitting on the bow (top of the forward cabin), sipping a cocktail and enjoying the view.
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But it is a wired world today, can even do it from an IPad using TZ touch I betcha.
Makes me think about when my kids were young and as we drove through neighbourhoods they would hit the garage remote to see how many doors opened.
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"On a nice calm day, there is nothing like sitting on the bow (top of the forward cabin), sipping a cocktail and enjoying the view."

The bow cockpit on a Midnight Lace is not limited to just nice days.

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Sometimes in this position, I have the hardwired remote AP in my hand, (rather than a G&T). It's always been 100% reliable.
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