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Old 11-26-2012, 10:47 PM   #121
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The very short answer to this thread question: "Is the Pope a Catholic".
(No religious offense intended, just mild humour)
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:08 AM   #122
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Eric,
You nailed it!! This is the most comfortable handling. I rather enjoy the timing in making the turn into the wake just timed to miss their stern. The look in the eye as you make the turn brings a chuckle. Particularly if the passing boat is one of our local charter boats with 'nimrod' tourist on board.
Being slow, and keeping an eye aft you have the advantage of being prepared. Often as the passing is completed a short comment on 16 becomes the cherry on top.
There has been times that I sought out the offender in the harbor and discussed some simple logic. "Say Son, when you saw my slow boat ahead of you some 1/2 mile or more, would it be a problem to swing out at a slight degree and pass with some distance between us?" "Just asking." " I mean, a little later I will be coming by you as you are trolling with your charter guest. would it seem fair that I took pictures of your boat as I circled at 6-7 knots creating a series of continued rolling waves as your guest hang on for dear life wondering what in the hell that fellow is taking pictures for?"
Just say.
Thanks Eric, now my frustration with fast boats that have to brush my outboard bumpers as they pass.
PS: I like your new boat picture posting. Am still working on how to shrink my picture down.Waiting for a Granddaughter to wander by.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:30 AM   #123
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Ready to turn into this fellow's wake.

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Old 11-27-2012, 12:53 AM   #124
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Ready to turn into this fellow's wake.

Ever noticed how the wake of tugs and ships totally destroys your steering? The disturbance underwater from those big props, and hulls too, is best avoided, especially with other vessels nearby.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:36 PM   #125
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If you think tugs throw out a huge wake, you should try getting over the wake of a nuclear submarine scootin' right along on the surface. Most of the boat (yes, they are called "boats) is underwater, so the wake is quite large.
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:31 PM   #126
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You probably want to give aircraft carriers a wide berth too . . .



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Old 11-27-2012, 08:24 PM   #127
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My wife and I were rounding Cape Caution in our sea kayaks, and met two huge tugs without tows "racing" in the opposite direction. The swells were big enough that the horizon and shore disappeared at the bottom of the swells trough, then we got hit by the two wakes coming from different directions. Like it wasn't epic enough already!
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:36 PM   #128
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...try getting over the wake of a nuclear submarine scootin' right along on the surface. Most of the boat (yes, they are called "boats) is underwater, so the wake is quite large.
Well yes, some of the non nuclear ones were actually called "U-Boats".
Now why am I thinking of Northern Spy`s avatar?
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:47 PM   #129
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Only when evading Sea Ray yahoo wakes.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:08 PM   #130
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Only when evading Sea Ray yahoo wakes.
i resemble that remark! My Ray at Yahoo speed was hardly in the water to make a wake cept in a turn and then she would skid for a good bit before she'd take a bite....oh how i loved that feeling...kinda like on ice
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:10 PM   #131
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After reading every post in this thread I think I'll forget about buying any type of straight out power cruiser (they cost to much to run) and buy a nice 38' or 42' Trimaran. Trimarans sail well, they are fast and under motor power alone, they run on the smell of an oily rag, about half a litre per hour...They are also shallow draft...Perfect for the Great Barrier Reef area. Did I mention the fact, they don't roll a lot
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:22 AM   #132
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After reading every post in this thread I think I'll forget about buying any type of straight out power cruiser (they cost to much to run) and buy a nice 38' or 42' Trimaran. Trimarans sail well, they are fast and under motor power alone, they run on the smell of an oily rag, about half a litre per hour...They are also shallow draft...Perfect for the Great Barrier Reef area. Did I mention the fact, they don't roll a lot
they have there good points but have you tried crossing the bar with one? They look good on paper but if they were there would be lots more around
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Hard Chine: By their own volition... well designed hulls, superstructure and low center of gravity boats with twin screw powered planing hulls, having a good sized keel, roll considerably less than other designs while traveling above hull speed; depending on sea conditions in respect to speed traveled this bottom design tends to stay more perpendicular. At anchor... stability depends on wind and sea conditions as well as anchoring technique (fore... or fore and aft) for any style hull. Of course many type stabilizers may assist stability during nearly any sea condition and boat operation or still position.

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That sums it up pretty well. My trawler has both hard chines and a good size keel both of which help to reduce roll. Round bottom trawlers often roll like crazy but its a "smooth roll" haha. Models like mine that have a high flybridge and large vinyl enclosed sun deck have a lot of windage which can add to the excitement of docking when both wind and tide are moving the wrong way. Down East boats up in Maine (where the wind usually always blows and the sea is rarely calm) tend to be built with a lower profile pilot house style with less windage and a lower center of gravity.
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Old 02-21-2013, 02:51 PM   #134
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The worst roll of all is in a wide and hard chine boat a-beam to a steep and short sea. Some call it a "snap roll". It's VERY annoying and even dangerous. Lots of fishermen are exposed to this while fishing. That's not why I rarely fish. Too much boating to be done.
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The worst roll of all is in a wide and hard chine boat a-beam to a steep and short sea. Some call it a "snap roll". It's VERY annoying and even dangerous. Lots of fishermen are exposed to this while fishing. That's not why I rarely fish. Too much boating to be done.
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It's not wise to run a-beam to any type of sea that is bothersome for any reason in any style boat. That's another reason mariners came up with the miraculous invention of tacking!
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That sums it up pretty well. My trawler has both hard chines and a good size keel both of which help to reduce roll. Round bottom trawlers often roll like crazy but its a "smooth roll" haha. Models like mine that have a high flybridge and large vinyl enclosed sun deck have a lot of windage which can add to the excitement of docking when both wind and tide are moving the wrong way. Down East boats up in Maine (where the wind usually always blows and the sea is rarely calm) tend to be built with a lower profile pilot house style with less windage and a lower center of gravity.
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The worst roll of all is in a wide and hard chine boat a-beam to a steep and short sea. Some call it a "snap roll". It's VERY annoying and even dangerous. Lots of fishermen are exposed to this while fishing. That's not why I rarely fish. Too much boating to be done.

While I have heard of such seas the only time I have seen them on the Atlantic or Gulf of Mexico is in inlets where the outgoing tide stacks up the incoming sea. This can be very dangerous but only a foolish boater would be caught on the beam. I've heard that the Great Lakes often see this condition, but we usually have long swells (rarely calm seas in Maine) and even with relatively large swells we plow along with an easy motion. I am not a long range blue water boater and no boat rides comfortable in a big blow.
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"The worst roll of all is in a wide and hard chine boat a-beam to a steep and short sea. Some call it a "snap roll". It's VERY annoying and even dangerous."

Nope,, the worst roll is in a catamaran with wider beam and higher flotation further outboard than even a chine boat.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:28 AM   #139
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It's not wise to run a-beam to any type of sea that is bothersome for any reason in any style boat. That's another reason mariners came up with the miraculous invention of tacking!
Well, not any style of boat. It's also why they invented paravanes and active stabilizers. I prefer a beam sea on my boat vs the alternatives (other than dead calm, that is).
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"The worst roll of all is in a wide and hard chine boat a-beam to a steep and short sea. Some call it a "snap roll". It's VERY annoying and even dangerous."

Nope,, the worst roll is in a catamaran with wider beam and higher flotation further outboard than even a chine boat.

Never experienced a snap roll but I really like cinnabuns!
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