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Old 10-14-2014, 11:21 PM   #21
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My boat is not a trawler but we travel at trawler speed to save fuel. healhustler I like that Searay Trawler picture.
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Old 10-14-2014, 11:38 PM   #22
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Welcome aboard. Like FF said it a lifestyle. The hardware you use is fun to talk about but the most important thing is to get out on the water.

Normally at this point I throw in a warning about RTF, but you've already met him.
(Nice one RTF. Best Ever!)
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Old 10-15-2014, 05:17 AM   #23
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I bought a non-trawler almost a year ago based on price, condition, and quality and I know some of you are going to laugh because it's a 1996 Sea Ray 44 Express Bridge. We had looked for a long time and made several offers on displacement or semi-displacement boats but they were all older and in need of either a lot of TLC or reconditioning. This was $82K and for that it is beautifully equipped. But here's the Trawler part. I found that it runs just great on one engine (Cat 3116) at 1300 rpm, 7.8 knots and 2 gph. And helming from the enclosed flybridge means we hear no engine noise. I do switch engines every 30 minutes to keep the stuffing boxes cool and alternate wear. The auto pilot keeps course just fine although the rudders are about half cranked over but the hull itself crabs almost nil.
Truth be told…none of us has a literal trawler, although a minority might be converted fishing trawlers. They are power boats, (as opposed to sail powered), and more correctly they are sometimes referred to as 'trawler style' power boats, (a term I prefer myself), because of a variable similarity to the basic true trawler's hull shape.

Essentially the forum is for people who are into powered boats, as opposed to sailboats, who are well catered for on other forums. Many of us have been both, so there is some cross-pollination, but in the main that's the diff.
So…if you don't have to throw a reef in the main every time the wind gets up, (jeez I don't miss that one bit), here is where you belong…and are welcome.
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Old 10-15-2014, 05:29 AM   #24
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So…if you don't have to throw a reef in the main every time the wind gets up, (jeez I don't miss that one bit), here is where you belong…and are welcome.
As often as not, "sailboats" traveling outside of marinas are using an engine and operate as motorized vessels.

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Old 10-15-2014, 05:36 AM   #25
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Yes…eggzactly Mark, because they don't want to have to throw a reef in the main…at 24 hours notice even...
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:05 AM   #26
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As often as not, "sailboats" traveling outside of marinas are using an engine and operate as motorized vessels.

However once outside , or in a straight stretch inshore ,the rags het unrolled , the engine is secured and cruising in silence is worth the effort.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:14 AM   #27
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As often as not, "sailboats" traveling outside of marinas are using an engine and operate as motorized vessels.

However once outside , or in a straight stretch inshore ,the rags het unrolled , the engine is secured and cruising in silence is worth the effort.
That's not my observation.



That's to my disappointment, because a boat under sail is wondrous.

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Old 10-15-2014, 09:08 AM   #28
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And then the sailboats that do the loop and don't even take the sails along for the ride. Demast before they start the trip.
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Old 10-15-2014, 09:14 AM   #29
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How hard the AP has to work on one engine depends on speed. At 7 knots and below mine is fine much above that it struggles. A lot depends on boat design. Size and separation of rudders being a big factor.

Indeed each tranny design is different. For my 301 models ZF recommended switching engines every few hours and keeping trans temps below 140F.
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Old 10-16-2014, 12:11 PM   #30
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There are five bars either side of middle on my Ray AP display indicating rudder angle. With one engine, it shows three bars. If I try to use one engine from dead slow, it is very hard to get the boat to go in any sort of straight line until it's up to 5 knots. So I don't engage the AP until at least that speed. Then the course corrections seem the same as with two engines so I don't think it is harming the unit. In rough seas, different story. And I would be using two engines then anyway.
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:17 PM   #31
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Most APs are adjustable for a pretty wide range of variables...many just aren't good at a wide variety of conditions at one setting.
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Old 10-16-2014, 05:58 PM   #32
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(Nice one RTF. Best Ever!)
Nice one, agreed. But best ever? Um . . . there have been some pretty good ones in the past, so I'm not too sure about best ever.
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:01 PM   #33
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Greetings,
Mr. jw. Don't worry about Mr. HC. He has his weak moments and is easily amused...The best is always the next one...


Or the one after that or.......
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Old 10-17-2014, 05:16 PM   #34
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My boat is not a trawler but we travel at trawler speed to save fuel. healhustler I like that Searay Trawler picture.
Yeah, I ended up liking it too, quite surprising. Of course, switching hulls and houses do nothing for the interior, but it is interesting. The example you're talking about was a Searay house on a Hatteras LRC hull. It got me to wondering. How would the sleek style of something like a Searay go on a really frumpy, full displacement hull like the Krogen Manatee.

Voila, the Mana-Ray!
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You now have a boat that looks at you with "squinted eyes" and snarls "Don't mess with ME "

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Larry, I thought the Mana-Ray would be awful, but it's not.
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Larry, I thought the Mana-Ray would be awful, but it's not.
Mee too. But it just goes to show that when you put a box atop a graceful line, it's probably not going to be graceful anymore. Frankly, I prefer more squared lines than Searays exhibit, but even with the blimpy Manatee hull, those lines kept to a reasonable profile actually work.
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Old 10-18-2014, 12:52 AM   #38
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Pleasure Boats, PLEASURE Boats, PLEASURE BOATS!

Be em single or double screw. Displacement or planing. Motor boat, sail boat, motor sailer... That's Whats We All Gots! "Pleasure Boats"!!

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