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Old 09-07-2018, 04:20 PM   #1
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Distribution panel tip

Just a quick tip/suggestion:

I've learned over the years that there are three basic and common breaker setups (combination of on and off). Away from the boat, on the boat at the dock, and underway. One could argue a fourth, at anchor.

For years we'd be occasionally frustrated because we'd forget one or two of the breakers -- usually something I needed at the time like hot water... or battery charger.

To low-tech fix the problem, I color coded my breaker switches. Blue for underway, orange for away from the boat, and yellow for at the dock. $1 or $2 for a pack of colored zipties at a hardware store.

It's worked beautifully the past few weeks.

Unintended benefit is I can just tell a guest that wants to be helpful "flip all the blue to on".Click image for larger version

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Old 09-07-2018, 04:28 PM   #2
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So how do you handle breakers that need to be off/on on two or three scenarios?
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Old 09-07-2018, 04:30 PM   #3
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I have set them at the "lowest" level needed...

So, for example, even though I want the bilge pumps on for all three scenarios, they are orange for them we leave.

In theory, you could chain them if you wanted.
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OK, so different question: You have a breaker for bilge pumps? Aren't they hard wired to the batteries?

Or do you mean sumps?
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Old 09-07-2018, 04:58 PM   #5
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I have 6 bilge pumps... 3 hardwired, and 3 on floats. I like the ones on floats to be on too, as there's also an LED on the panel that lights up if they've run.
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OK, so different question: You have a breaker for bilge pumps? Aren't they hard wired to the batteries?

Or do you mean sumps?
Bilge pumps need to be on fuses or breakers, never wired directly to the battery with out circuit protection.
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:11 PM   #7
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Bilge pumps need to be on fuses or breakers, never wired directly to the battery with out circuit protection.
I'll need to check that my hardwired pumps are fused
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OK, I'll admit it... I don't get it. I had a very complex boat I might add. What is it about your electrical schematic that prevents you from having all the breakers on all the time?
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:46 PM   #9
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Bilge pumps need to be on fuses or breakers, never wired directly to the battery with out circuit protection.
Directly wired to the battery via a fuse is still hard wired. In other words always live.
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OK, I'll admit it... I don't get it. I had a very complex boat I might add. What is it about your electrical schematic that prevents you from having all the breakers on all the time?

I also have some breakers that I leave on all the time when away from the boat. I just used a label maker and put “On” next to those. I have since (from a recent thread) simply added more breaker covers and covered those breakers that I don’t turn off.

I also have a lot of breakers that I don’t want on all the time. Keep in mind that the breakers in my situation often acts as switches. For example, the anchor light or wash down pump are breaker/switches, so when the breaker is on the device is on.
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I also have some breakers that I leave on all the time when away from the boat. I just used a label maker and put “On” next to those. I have since (from a recent thread) simply added more breaker covers and covered those breakers that I don’t turn off.

I also have a lot of breakers that I don’t want on all the time. Keep in mind that the breakers in my situation often acts as switches. For example, the anchor light or wash down pump are breaker/switches, so when the breaker is on the device is on.
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Ok, now I understand, thanks. That's kind of funky IMO, I like switches to be more convenient, like at the helm or the point of use (like lights) and also prefer not to be wearing on breakers by using them as switches.
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I used 1/4” round colored dots to indicate those that are always on instead of wire tyes.
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Ok, now I understand, thanks. That's kind of funky IMO, I like switches to be more convenient, like at the helm or the point of use (like lights) and also prefer not to be wearing on breakers by using them as switches.

Yeah, I understand. However, I like having separate breakers for different power uses. It is nice to be able to cut power to one item yet keep power to others. Anchor light for example. Plus, it would not be terribly convenient to have a switch at the anchor light. ;-)
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Interesting...This just shows that everybody is different.

I have the exact same boat as the OP...

I leave all my breakers on all the time, with the only exception being the electric heaters (4) which I leave off all the time.

Regarding the 4788 Bayliner bilge pumps

There are three zones on the boat for bilge pumps, forward, mid, and aft. Each zone has a automatic pump that is wired directly to the main DC switch panel at the aft of the boat. This is the panel that has all the on off switches for the batteries. These bilge pumps are protected by separate fuses.

There are also three manually activated bilge pumps that are protected by circuit breakers in the panel on the OP’s post. These are controlled by switvches on the dash.

When any bilge zone float switch activates a LED is illuminated next to the manual bilge pump switch for that zone
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Question, my boats (past and present) had the same set up, just with different number of bilge pumps. Have you ever physically gone and checked that you have six bilge pumps?

The reason I ask is that in all the set ups I had the bilge pumps were hard wired, and fuse protected, but also had the manual spring switch. Meaning the two ways were for the same pumps. It doesn't make sense to me to have three bilge pumps that would remain off if there was a need and no one was on the boat.
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Greetings,
I essentially do the same thing. Those accessories I want off when we leave are marked with a strip of red electrical tape and similarly, the always on switches are marked with green tape. I use the same system for both the 12v and 110v circuits.
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I like the zip tie idea.
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Question, my boats (past and present) had the same set up, just with different number of bilge pumps. Have you ever physically gone and checked that you have six bilge pumps?

The reason I ask is that in all the set ups I had the bilge pumps were hard wired, and fuse protected, but also had the manual spring switch. Meaning the two ways were for the same pumps. It doesn't make sense to me to have three bilge pumps that would remain off if there was a need and no one was on the boat.
Yes, there are actually two pumps at each of the three locations.
One manual, one automatic.


I really like the zip tie idea as well!
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Interesting to see the different approaches. Ours is probably most similar to Dhays. I have toggle guards over the switches that people shouldn’t be messing with. Whether they are on or off depends, but they are normally left on one position or the other, and not regularly operated. The watermaker is a good example. On when in use including self flush mode, and off when pickled.

Then we color code the breakers that get turned on to get underway, making that process quick and dependable.
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Love the zip tie idea. We're currently using stickers but I like the idea of color coding the switches themselves.
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