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Old 06-14-2017, 10:01 PM   #1
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A different way to do the same

Back from 14 days cruising time around Alaska.
We use a 68' custom design (trawler type) from San Francisco to Juneau with stops at Ketchikan, Sitka, Nanaimo, Prince Rupert and few others around.
While I appreciate the comfort and security of a huge boat, we found few places where approach was not possible.
Beside the "diesel factor" from SF to Vancouver was huge.
It's maybe more efficient move a container with a fast passage boat (around 40'), explore all around, then back, container again and send at another tempting location?
What is wrong with this idea?
Somebody tried before??
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:03 PM   #2
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FF has been saying this for years....
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Define huge fuel use?
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Define huge fuel use?
Around $8K at the end...
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Isn't that sort of like "seeing" the Louvre Museum in an hour?
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Around $8K at the end...
Meaningless without hours or miles.

If we went 24/7 for 14 days doing 8.5 knots we'd use similar amounts of fuel burning 15 LPH.
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Old 06-15-2017, 06:46 AM   #7
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I think a "box boat" (fits in a 40 ft container) would be the best way to do a world cruise.

In order to fit into a container (to keep the boat from being stripped when deck cargo) it would be narrow low and probably light.

Aluminum is great for a one off and there are still high quality building yards with low labor rates , Poland perhaps.

A box keel would allow the boat to be installed/removed with simple pipe or wooden rollers.And take the ground when needed.

4 deck eyes would allow crane launching dock side.

39 ft of a narrow boat would be really comfortable with 2 , but 4 would be OK for a couple of weeks.

Yes, it has been done with sail boats , but I don't know of a power boat build yet.

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..A 40' container cost around $2500 SF/Seattle, then from there, on less than 300 miles I have thousand of places to go. I need to crunch numbers but maybe for next year... On Alaska, using the interior passage, a fast boat with minimal accommodation for an eventual off shore night anchored I think could be "the" way.
Beside you can reach really interesting places very close.
Something to think for next year...
This year the total bill with everything include for 3 was around $20K
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I pulled these dimensions off the internet.

The outside shipping dimension of a high cube 40' container are approximately 40' long x 8' wide x 9'6" high. The inside dimensions are approximately 39' long x 7'8" wide x 8'9" high.

Seems to me the beam would be a tough part, as the boat would need to be 7'6" wide or less to fit the container. A C-dory 22 Cruiser would almost do it, but has a beam of 7'8".

Can you find an appropriate sized boat for you needs that fits these dimensions?

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Shipping containers have ratings. I bought one to store an old truck before we left on this multi year cruise, since we sold the house. Anyway, the prices vary quite a bit based on rating. Top of the line is Certified for transport. I would assume this is the one you would need. I bought one that was water/weather tight but had an expired certification. I think there were 2-3 other ratings.

Just something to research when pricing containers. As for boats, maybe the new great harbour tt35? I thought I remember something about it, maybe just trailerable. You'd have to check
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Seems to me the beam would be a tough part, as the boat would need to be 7'6" wide or less to fit the container. Jim
Do Trimaran's fold up or designed to fold the outriggers in/up/over the hull?

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..yes, a folded trimaran or use the big 53' or the new 60' container... a pilot boat maybe??
a 30' Osprey is a very good option...
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We sorta trailer cruised before we bought the big boat. When the kids were small we always pulled a run about around. When the kids got older we also had a 28 ft Rienel that we trailer up and down the BC, California, Oregon Washington coast. So we had a little of both. In the fall we plan on pulling the run about down. Taking a couple of months stopping along the way. Going by boat takes to much time a lot of fuel. Much rather trailer the boat so you have both land and water.
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Isn't that sort of like "seeing" the Louvre Museum in an hour?

I was a little bit confused. Was that 14 days from SF to AK and back?
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I don't think the concept is that outrageous. In many larger islands in the Caribbean, we've seen a number of recreational cruising boats sitting on the hard on commercial ports. You can tell by the way they're prepped they being shipped (either inbound or outbound). These are large ship loading/unloading areas and not seasonal storage.

I think there are a number of people who simply ship they're boat to paradise and start island hopping from there.
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I was a little bit confused. Was that 14 days from SF to AK and back?
That's the way I read it...
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Could be an interesting exercise to design a shape that would fit with an inflatable collar.

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".A 40' container cost around $2500 SF/Seattle,"

Jones act , big bucks.

World trade has very different costs , lots comes from China so renting and shipping a box is costly, to he USA .

Going from the USA to China or India most of the boxes are empty , supply and demand , shipping to Asia is dirt cheap.
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Problem is that containers are constrained and designed for the road, not for the water shipment mode.
You can't even container ANY Boston Whaler over 25 foot long, if you want to keep it keel down!
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Wifey B: If you're trying to ship your boat around in a box rather than cruise, then why even have a boat? I understand on occasion shipping between the US and Europe and even Bruce and Dorsey from the West Coast to the East, but I love cruising, not flying and meeting, not pulling behind a truck on a trailer, not boat in a box.

It's like yacht owners who ship their boats from place to place or the ones I really don't get, the ones who have the crew relocate the boat. If the boat is moving on the water, I want to be with it. We have a captain friend moving a boat for a client from FLL to the Abacos right now. I don't get it. I want to be on it for that trip.

To us, it's about two parts, not just one. We love the destinations, but we love the trip as well. They, together, double our pleasure, double our fun, far better than

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