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Old 01-06-2011, 07:12 AM   #21
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"Its worked for 10+ years!"

That is solid logic.

For about the same length of time I have carried a little coin that an expert on large mammals told me would prevent Rhinoceros attacks. It has worked extremely well, I haven't even seen on since I started carrying the thing!
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Old 01-06-2011, 08:38 AM   #22
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For about the same length of time I have carried a little coin that an expert on large mammals told me would prevent Rhinoceros attacks. It has worked extremely well, ...
Where can I get such a coin?

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Old 01-06-2011, 09:42 AM   #23
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markpierce wrote:Where can I get such a coin?
You are in luck! I just happen to have several in reserve and can get one to you postage paid for a mere $100.

If that seems a bit steep just consider the medical costs for a rhino goring! The cost to protect yourself from a rogue rhino is less than 3 cents per day over a 10 year period. And the coin comes with a money back one year guarantee.*

That is a bargain by any measure.


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Old 01-06-2011, 10:31 AM   #24
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There is another way to prevent a rino from charging.

Take away his credit card.

Seriously though. I will take 2 if you will take my check.

Post dated second party.

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Old 01-06-2011, 12:38 PM   #25
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For about the same length of time I have carried a little coin that an expert on large mammals told me would prevent Rhinoceros attacks. It has worked extremely well, I haven't even seen on since I started carrying the thing!
Those coins are bogus, Rick.* Like those "Help my uncle get $10 million out of his country and you'll get ten percent" e-mails.

I have one of those coins, too.* They told me mine is multi-purpose--- rhino, lion, hyena, leopard, and wildebeest.* Was in Africa on a 777 delivery flight.* Airline took us on one of those game safaris.* Drove by a big herd of wildebeests at a watering hole.* Got out of the Land Rover to take some photos.* Something spooked the wildebeests and they all started to run. Right at me.* Took out my coin and held it up.* Didn't do squat.* They ran right over me.* Broke my camera, tore my clothes, stomped the crap out of me.

Then to make matters worse, they were driving me back to the camp to get patched up and the Land Rover quit.* The driver started cursing.* "It's that sh*tty ultra-low-sulfur diesel they give us here."* He pulled a coin out of his pocket and showed it to me.* "See," he said.* "I even have a coin they gave me to prevent low-sulfur diesel failures, but the damn engines crap out anyway." I think he ended up throwing the coin away.
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Old 01-06-2011, 09:09 PM   #26
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I been using the newer ultra low sulfur diesel for two years now, which seems to burn cleaner/no soot and less fumes.Since it does not have much sulfur is also better for the tanks and the engine, but it does have a short life.The Webasto diesel boiler runs great on the ultra low sulfur road diesel with very little soot and not fumes.The Webasto also polishes/cleans the fuel as it draws more than it uses so does the DD 671.
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Everettmarina just start pumping Ethanol gas and is going to pump the ultra low sulfur be summer. Some one told me that if oil is mix in the ethanol that it will last longer?




Phil, there isn't much indication that ULSD degrades faster, although oxygenated ULSD might, since the ethanol added to this formulation will cause oxidization of the hydrocarbons quicker.* I think you're probably correct that ULSD may be better for metal tanks since the lower sulphur level means lower sulphuric acid formation potential when water is present.* Pretty unlikely possibility in tanks though, so I'm not sure that is a great benefit.* The main problems experienced with ULSD relate to its lower viscosity, which has been reported to increase injector wear and increased leaks.* It also has a lower ph (less sulphur) which means that the additive package in the oil designed to deal with one level of acidity associated with regular diesel combustion byproducts is out of kilter to the lower acidity of combustion byproducts with ULSD.** When I bought Delfin's shell, she had 1500 gallons of diesel of unknown age on board.* It took 4 years to finish her, and then we burned the diesel just fine. No doubt not fresh, no doubt not ideal for the engine, but a lack of freshness in diesel doesn't seem to translate to a lack of combustibility.

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Delfin wrote:" When I bought Delfin's shell, she had 1500 gallons of diesel of unknown age on board.* It took 4 years to finish her, and then we burned the diesel just fine. No doubt not fresh, no doubt not ideal for the engine, but a lack of freshness in diesel doesn't seem to translate to a lack of combustibility."
I agree - Killick had 400 gal in aft saddle tanks (1400 gal combined tankage) that were of 15+ yr vintage.* Polishing (we've built a high-volume portable polishing unit with centrifuge & filters) and adding 20% bio-diesel to raise the cetane level resulted in virtually no loss of performance or soot.* I wouldn't hesitate to do the same to similar vintage diesel. Let's face it....many reserve generators in hospitals etc. have fuel supplies that sit for long periods of time without being put in service.

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Killick wrote:Let's face it....many reserve generators in hospitals etc. have fuel supplies that sit for long periods of time without being put in service. Great point! I had a plant in Puerto Rico that had 2 big Cat generators that sat idle for years. We would fire them up once a year to check them out and never had a problem. Of course we only had that plant for 14 years.
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....adding 20% bio-diesel to raise the cetane level resulted in virtually no loss of performance ...


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I would not use bio-diesel.* This is the official position of Northern Lights/Lugger, regarding Bio Diesel as written by Bob Senter.
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While biodiesel is certainly appealing in some ways, in its current
state of refinement it is totally unsuitable for long range cruisers,
sailboats, boats with very large tanks and standby generators. I will
post the chapter and verse technical background and recommendations
from John Deere, which are mostly in lockstep with other engine
builders.


Here's the short version:
1. Biodiesel degrades quickly, like milk. According to Deere, it must
be used within 90 days of manufacture, a near impossibility in marine
applications and standby generators.
2. Biodiesel's strong solvent-like properties do a great job of
cleaning normal accumulations of asphaltenes from tanks and fuel
lines; the freshly loosened debris plugs the filters.
3. Most of the flexible hose components, gaskets, seals, diaphragms
and O-rings will be gradually softened and/or dissolved by biodiesel.
The problem is insidious because the engine will run extremely well
until the problems begin.
4. Once the dissolved materials begin to enter the fuel system, fuel
injection system failures and upper cylinder failures can occur -
these materials were never designed to be burned in the combustion
chamber. External leaks and filter plugging are the least of your
worries. The longer term fuel system and engine component failures are
likely to be much more oppressive and expensive.


Without debating the merits or challenges of biodiesel, I hope that
these challenges are overcome in the not too distant future. The
reality for now is that it really only works well in some highway
vehicles and agriculture/ construction equipment where all the fuel is
consumed in a few days.


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Yea, some guys at the marina who were there polishing fuel tried to sell me some of that stuff.*

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"Its worked for 10+ years!"

That is solid logic.

For about the same length of time I have carried a little coin that an expert on large mammals told me would prevent Rhinoceros attacks. It has worked extremely well, I haven't even seen on since I started carrying the thing!

I have a keychain that does the same thing.

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