Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 01-12-2014, 09:03 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
nmuir's Avatar
 
City: West Vancouver
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Redoubt
Vessel Model: 50' Gulf Commander
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 122
Did Drake visit the Canadian Coast?

Another topic. Kinda interesting to speculate....

Don't know if this is well known, but there is a theory that Drake visited the Canadian West coast well before any other Europeans.

A recent find adds more fuel to the fire.

How the discovery of a 460-year-old English shilling in B.C. could help rewrite the early history of Canada | National Post
__________________
Advertisement

nmuir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2014, 10:00 PM   #2
Guru
 
dhmeissner's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: North America
Vessel Name: The Promise
Vessel Model: Roughwater 35
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,326
Fascinating story, thanks for sharing. I will try to read more about this, for those who want to know more about Drake:

Francis Drake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
__________________

__________________
Dave & Suzie - Roughwater 35
http://thepromiserwb1029.org/2012/09...the-promise-2/
dhmeissner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2014, 10:34 PM   #3
Guru
 
City: Carefree, Arizona
Country: usa
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 6,372
Back before the little ice age closed the NW passage in the 1500s, some theorize the Vikings did the west coast of Canada. Billy Proctor's museum has some old Scandinavian writings on stone that he found on the West Coast of VI.

Lots of fun to talk about the PNW with the Logs of the Russian, Danish and English sailors from the 1700s great reads. In 1592 Drake presented the Queen with his text "Sir Francis Drake Revived" which details all his voyages and chasing down of the Spanish vessels he was instructed to find, plunder and sink. That text had him ending up in N California before he headed south again and then across to the Philippines. He was very good at plundering the Spanish who were busy plundering Peru and Chile.
sunchaser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2014, 10:47 PM   #4
Guru
 
HeadMistress's Avatar


 
City: AR
Country: USA
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,188
Drake may have been there in 1597, but by then half of Europe already gotten there!

Around 1000 AD, Vikings landed in what's nowNewfoundland and Labrador.

In 1360 the Church of Rome sent Norwegian Paul Knutsson to reclaim Greenland from the Norse. Records indicate that Knutsson also sailed westward into Hudson Strait and Hudson Bay and then south into James Bay and also up the Albany River all the way to Lake Nipigon, north of Lake Superior. In 1398 Micmac (Indian tribe) legends began to talk of red-haired, green-eyed men with beards (Lief Ericsson?) who had arrived centuries earlier and taught the Micmac how to fish with nets.

The next to show up was John Cabot in 1497, who went ashore, probably on Cape Breton Island, and claimed "Terre Nova" in the name of King Henry VII

By 1504, a small fish-processing village had been established at present-day St. Johns, Newfoundland. The harbour and the processing plant were used by all the major European countries who fished the Grand Banks. In fact, St. John's Harbour became a focal point for ships leaving and arriving in the New World. There was so much European fishing traffic that in 1506 Portugal began to levy taxes against all the fish caught in the Grand Banks

Verrizano got there in 1523 and Jacque Cartier--who actually coined the name Canada--in 1534...he made at least 3 more trips by 1542.

So by the time Drake may or may not have shown up, the sea routes between Europe and Canada were already busier than the DC Beltway at rush hour!

__________________
© 2017 Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since '87.
Author "The NEW Get Rid of Boat Odors"
HeadMistress is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2014, 10:55 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
nmuir's Avatar
 
City: West Vancouver
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Redoubt
Vessel Model: 50' Gulf Commander
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 122
This is referring to the west coast. Unless my geography lessons were a bit off, Newfoundland, the St Lawrence, and James Bay are east coast
nmuir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2014, 11:10 PM   #6
Enigma
 
RT Firefly's Avatar
 
City: Slicker?
Country: Bumpkin?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 9,996
Greetings,
Mr. nm. Correct but what's 3000 or 4000 miles more or less? James Bay would be more north coast (OK, access is from east coast). There is some speculation the Chinese also visited the west coast of NA as well but no evidence as yet.
__________________
RTF
RT Firefly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 01:14 AM   #7
Guru
 
HeadMistress's Avatar


 
City: AR
Country: USA
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,188
Quote:
Originally Posted by nmuir View Post
This is referring to the west coast. Unless my geography lessons were a bit off, Newfoundland, the St Lawrence, and James Bay are east coast
I know which coast Vancouver is on. You're forgetting that there was a lot of "overland" exploration, mostly via water, but a considerable amount of portaging too, especially among the explorers who landed a lot further south on the east coast. They did a considerable amount of westward exploring and more than one of 'em did get to the Pacific. Most of 'em were Spanish, or sailed for Spain. Juan de Fuca was a Greek navigator named Apostolos Valerianos who sailed for Spain under a Spanish name. De Fuca sailed up the west coast of North America from Acapulco Mexico to Vancouver Island in 1592, which would have put him there at least 5 years ahead of Drake. DeFuca is widely considered to be the first European to see that area. He was looking for the "northwest passage" to the Atlantic and thought the Strait that was later named for him was it. However, his discovery of the strait wasn't believed by most people until Capt Vancouver retraced his route in the late 1700s.

In addition to all this, we have an increasing amount of archeological "evidence" that may or may not support theories that both the Vikings and the Welsh explored North American from coast to coast east-west, and north-south from the Gulf of Mexico to the headwaters of the Mississippi River. Then there are the stories of the Chinese and Japanese explorers reaching NA and exploring up and down the whole west coast.

Happy New Year, y'all!
__________________
© 2017 Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since '87.
Author "The NEW Get Rid of Boat Odors"
HeadMistress is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 01:26 AM   #8
Guru
 
MurrayM's Avatar
 
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,329
Quote:
Originally Posted by RT Firefly View Post
There is some speculation the Chinese also visited the west coast of NA as well but no evidence as yet.
There is a story on Haida Gwaii (formerly the Queen Charlotte Islands on the north coast of BC, Canada) about long, long, ago, when uknown men in black landed on the beaches who ate maggots (rice?). The locals were so shocked they ran into the forest and dodn't look back...or so the story goes...
__________________
"The most interesting path between two points is not a straight line" Murray Minchin
MurrayM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 07:00 AM   #9
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: Avalon, NJ
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 15,920
Ask Lewis and Clark how easy it was to get from the east coast to the west coast by water or land...
psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 09:14 AM   #10
Guru
 
boatpoker's Avatar
 
City: Port Credit
Country: Ontario
Vessel Name: DIRT FREE
Vessel Model: Benford Fantail 38
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,012
Until I was about 19yrs old I carried a British penny dated 1501 in my pocket. I lost it on a beach near Toronto. Wonder what the historians will make of that when it's found.
boatpoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 11:45 AM   #11
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,722
Look's like Peggie's our history prof.

And after these explorers came west overland they could have borrowed Indian canoes or built their own boats like the gold rush guys did on Dease Lake on their way to the Klondike. And gone north on protected waters as we do in our pleasure boats. All one needs is a kayak to go from Puget Sound to SE AK.

But if all these white men were exploring North America as Peggie suggests why didn't some stay? Answering my own question the war between the white men and the red men may have started a long time before we thought. And in the beginning perhaps the red men were victorious.

Murray do they call Queen Charlotte City Haida Gwaii City yet?
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 11:58 AM   #12
Enigma
 
RT Firefly's Avatar
 
City: Slicker?
Country: Bumpkin?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 9,996
Greetings,

__________________
RTF
RT Firefly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 12:10 PM   #13
Member
 
City: Morris Plains, NJ
Country: USA
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 18
crop circles and random monoliths suggest the earlier transcontinental travel of hairless bipeds. (Just suggesting)
Ahab7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 12:11 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
MC Escher's Avatar
 
City: Central Ohio
Country: USA
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 151
Quote:
Originally Posted by RT Firefly View Post
Greetings,
There is some speculation the Chinese also visited the west coast of NA as well but no evidence as yet.

Given that Asians migrated to the new world at least 40,000 years ago, possibly as much as 60,000 BP; and given that the geographical distribution of a 9th base-pair deletion in mitochondrial DNA demonstrates a coastal (water based) migration path that reached at least as far as modern day Ecuador; it hardly requires a great stretch of the imagination to imagine that far more technologically advanced humans made essentially the same journey in the last thousand years.
__________________
If God didn't want me to walk on the grass, he wouldn't have left it on the ground.
MC Escher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 12:27 PM   #15
Enigma
 
RT Firefly's Avatar
 
City: Slicker?
Country: Bumpkin?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 9,996
Greetings,
Mr. A. Welcome aboard. Whoa! THIS thread is going places.....
__________________
RTF
RT Firefly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 01:50 PM   #16
Guru
 
Conrad's Avatar
 
City: Calgary
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Blue Sky
Vessel Model: Nordic Tugs 42 Hull #001
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,553
An interesting read is "Canada's Forgotten Highway" by Ralph Brine, which covers a 1967 Centennial canoe trip from New Westminster to Montreal. The author writes equally about the geography and history along the way in an enjoyable fashion, covering much of what has been discussed in this thread.
__________________
Conrad
Berthed in
Campbell River BC
Conrad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 02:28 PM   #17
Guru
 
Northern Spy's Avatar
 
City: Powell River, BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Northern Spy
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 26
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,672
Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad View Post
An interesting read is "Canada's Forgotten Highway" by Ralph Brine, which covers a 1967 Centennial canoe trip from New Westminster to Montreal. The author writes equally about the geography and history along the way in an enjoyable fashion, covering much of what has been discussed in this thread.
A friend of mine (and fellow Nordic Tug owner) was on the Eastward Ho trip chronicled in that book.
Northern Spy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 07:29 PM   #18
Enigma
 
RT Firefly's Avatar
 
City: Slicker?
Country: Bumpkin?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 9,996
Greetings,
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/20...t_17230939.htm
__________________
RTF
RT Firefly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 07:47 PM   #19
Guru
 
Tad Roberts's Avatar
 
City: Flattop Islands
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Blackfish
Vessel Model: custom
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 707
See The Secret Voyage of Sir Francis Drake 1577-1580, by Samuel Bawlf.
Tad Roberts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2014, 08:36 PM   #20
Guru
 
Bob Cofer's Avatar
 
City: Bellingham
Country: US
Vessel Name: Ebbtide
Vessel Model: '72 Grand Banks
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,029
An interesting thread.........finally!
__________________

__________________
What kind of boat is that?
Bob Cofer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012