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Old 01-13-2014, 09:27 PM   #21
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So we have Juan de Fuca finding the straight in 1592 Juan de Fuca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This is the border between US and Canada

Alexander Mackenzie 1st overland in Canada 1793 Alexander Mackenzie (explorer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (the terminus being as popular a cruising destination as can be, what with it up a remote inlet).

The theory about Drake, as best articulated by Sam Bawlf (not me!), is that Drake made it up the Candian Coast to the Queen Charlottes / Haida Gwaii, and perhaps beyond, but that it was kept secret (insert Elizabethan conspiracy theory here).

I am sure there are crop circles to be found somewhere in here too...
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There is also those that believe the Knights Templar visited North America back in the 1100's so there ya go. This is all based on the history books that have been fed to us. I trust these books about as much as I trust the bible...
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:06 PM   #23
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So we have Juan de Fuca finding the straight in 1592 Juan de Fuca - Wikipedia....
Glad that passed the spam filter.
Actually, there is a report Drake was spotted here last week. Maybe it just a Duck.
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See The Secret Voyage of Sir Francis Drake 1577-1580, by Samuel Bawlf.
My kids bought me that book years ago. Why? Because it has a boat on the cover and daddy like books with boats on the cover. Any hoo, I read at least half of it and couldn't quite believe the premise, as much as I wanted to.
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A friend of mine (and fellow Nordic Tug owner) was on the Eastward Ho trip chronicled in that book.
Dave Chisholm, one of the inveterate paddlers, is a friend of mine. Small world!
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But if all these white men were exploring North America as Peggie suggests why didn't some stay? Answering my own question the war between the white men and the red men may have started a long time before we thought. And in the beginning perhaps the red men were victorious.
That's not the reason. The European explorers didn't come to NA to colonize...there was no profit in colonization yet. They were primarily looking for routes to China that didn't require sailing around either of the horns...the fabled "northwest passage" Once they found this side of the planet, they started looking for valuable goods that could be exported back to Europe. Gold was at the top of their wish list, but there was soon a very brisk--and very profitable--trade in fish and crops never before seen in Europe--corn and tobacco among others. And contrary to popular belief, American colonies were founded on economics, not quests for religious freedom.

Most of the European--mostly French and Spanish, but some English too--exploration of what's now the US took place before 1600, but while they got busy colonizing what became Canada as early as the 1400s,, colonization of what became the US didn't begin in earnest till 1600. There was a little bit before then...St. Augustine FL was the earliest European settlement, in 1565...followed by Jamestown in 1607. The Mayflower was actually headed for Jamestown, which was well established by 1620, but they ran into weather that forced it northward to land on Cape Cod. It was September and by then winter was hard approaching, so they didn't have much choice but to stay there. Rhode Island and Connecticut were founded in 1636...Delaware in 1638...and y'all can do your own research find out when the rest of the colonies were first settled.

This HAS been fun...sure beats the socks off another toilet thread!
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That's not the reason. The European explorers didn't come to NA to colonize...there was no profit in colonization yet. They were primarily looking for routes to China that didn't require sailing around either of the horns...the fabled "northwest passage"
Viking 1: Hey Sven, what do you think of this new continent we found?

Viking 2 (Sven): Well Ole, it's nice and all that, but...

Ole (Viking 1): But what Sven?

Sven (Viking 2): Well it's no China!

Ole: That's for sure. Let's get in our boats, go back to Scandahoovia and not tell anybody.

Sven: OK. Good idea. Just let me finish carving the word "Croatoan" on this post first.

Sven and Ole high five.

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Scene 2 (500 BC)

Asian mariner 1: Hey Shou, what do you think of the new continent we found?

Asian mariner 2: (Shou): Well Zhao, it's nice and all that, but...

Zhao (AM 1): But what Shou?

Shou (AM 2): Well, it's no China!

Zhao: That's for sure. Let's go back home and not tell anybody....
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LOL. Exactly! I was just writing that scene!

(meanwhile somewhere on the Pacific Coast)

Except I had them dropping a coin on the ground.
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It was September and by then winter was hard approaching, so they didn't have much choice but to stay there.

Great choice , starving and freezing in far colder weather .
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Alexander Mackenzie 1st overland in Canada 1793 Alexander Mackenzie (explorer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (the terminus being as popular a cruising destination as can be, what with it up a remote inlet).

At the same time Mackenzie was marking his rock in BC, Capt George Vancouver was sailing up the channel. They missed each other by a few days.
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The Vikings (misnomer for the Norse, btw..."Vikings" were warriors--the invading Norse raiders that plundered western Europe and the British Isles) are a whole different story...They, led by Leif Erikkson (son of Eric the Red), discovered Iceland and settled it, then Greenland--which actually was Green then--and settled it and then went looking for China and found Canada instead, landing on what's now Nova Scotia sometime around 800, and--because it was also warm and green, established a thriving agrarian society that lasted until around 1300, when climate change that came to be known as the Little Ice Age had cooled things off so much that they could no longer farm, so they abandoned Canada and Iceland Greenland and came home. The Little Ice Age also killed agriculture in Europe, causing famines, which in turn caused people to come into the towns and cities looking for other ways to make a living--which they found along with Black Plague that managed to "thin the human herd" by about 60% ...ultimately leading to the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution as they sought easier ways to make things. Things finally began warming up again around 1800 and have been warming up ever since...till about 12 years ago. Proving that the only thing that's constant is change.

There's all kinds of evidence that the Norse explored all up and down the east coast of Canada.


Hey Fred...what were they supposed to do, walk to Virginia? Sailing or walking were the only ways they could have left, and sailing south wasn't possible in the tall ships of that day in those weather conditions.
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Peggie,
"thinning of the heard" has some merit w overpopulation being the root of most of mans problems now.
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"thinning of the heard" has some merit w overpopulation being the root of most of mans problems now.

If a journey begins with one step, and you believe in thinning the heard , your first step should be obvious.

W. Wilson and the progressives of that era wanted to end baby production of blacks , browns , Chinese , Irish and Italians .

Hitler used their progressive literature to solve his thinning the heard, starting with Idiots , mental defectives and ,,,,,,,,
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"thinning of the heard" has some merit w overpopulation being the root of most of mans problems now.
Nature will find a way; pandemic, asteroid, Yellowstone blowing its lid, etc. Any of these will be aggravated by our burning idiotic amounts of fossil fuels with the resultant collapse of ocean biodiversity making a bad situation even worse: Ocean Acidification -- National Geographic
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So much for this thread. Interesting topic, books to read and now it dives into a smoking pile of crap.
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That's not the reason. The European explorers didn't come to NA to colonize...there was no profit in colonization yet. They were primarily looking for routes to China that didn't require sailing around either of the horns...the fabled "northwest passage" Once they found this side of the planet, they started looking for valuable goods that could be exported back to Europe. Gold was at the top of their wish list, but there was soon a very brisk--and very profitable--trade in fish and crops never before seen in Europe--corn and tobacco among others. And contrary to popular belief, American colonies were founded on economics, not quests for religious freedom.

Most of the European--mostly French and Spanish, but some English too--exploration of what's now the US took place before 1600, but while they got busy colonizing what became Canada as early as the 1400s,, colonization of what became the US didn't begin in earnest till 1600. There was a little bit before then...St. Augustine FL was the earliest European settlement, in 1565...followed by Jamestown in 1607. The Mayflower was actually headed for Jamestown, which was well established by 1620, but they ran into weather that forced it northward to land on Cape Cod. It was September and by then winter was hard approaching, so they didn't have much choice but to stay there. Rhode Island and Connecticut were founded in 1636...Delaware in 1638...and y'all can do your own research find out when the rest of the colonies were first settled.

This HAS been fun...sure beats the socks off another toilet thread!
With respect, Pensacola Florida was the first and oldest settlement in NA. 1559 all be it short lived. St Augustine enjoys the oldest continued settlement.
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Hmmm.....No disputing St. Augustine, as Ms. P and Mr. BH state, being the oldest CONTINUALLY settled 'burg but by Ms. P's own admission, viking presence in Canada from 800 to 1300 AD counts as a settlement in my books. So I see your Pensacola and raise you a Red Bay.
St. Brendan was supposed to have come to NA by coracle at some point ~ 500 AD. Hmmm..... The plot thickens...
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Or, was it 23,000 years ago?

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St. Brendan was supposed to have come to NA by coracle ...

He obviously had divine assistance with that kind of hull shape ... the stability and efficiency certainly demanded a great deal of faith on a voyage like that.
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