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08-21-2016, 05:41 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,835
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bay Pelican
Without any justification I have long used the US to Bermuda trip as a guideline for "long range" This is approximately 600 nm from either North Carolina or Martha's Vineyard.
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While I'm not disagreeing, my boat could comfortably do that trip in less than 5 days if I wait for a good weather window. Really think the duration has to be long enough where bad weather for some portion is a reality.
Ted
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08-21-2016, 06:05 AM
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Valued Technical Contributor
City: Litchfield, Ct
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,786
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I would prefer the term blue water cruiser rather than long range cruiser. Almost any boat with enough fuel capacity can safely cruise 1,500 miles from Florida to Maine staying 50 miles offshore.
But it takes more than that to cross an ocean where the weather forecasts are no good after 4-5 days and you have to be able to take whatever mother nature throws at you. That means scantlings, redundant systems, ballast and most importantly- skipper smarts.
David
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08-21-2016, 06:11 AM
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Senior Member
City: Hobart
Vessel Name: Theresa
Vessel Model: Cheoy Lee 66 LRMY
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 118
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I guess if you want to use the words long range and passage maker in the same sentence than a range of 2500 nautical miles would be a sensible minimum given the longest common leg seems to be California to Hawaii which is about 2250 nm plus a 10% reserve gives 2500 miles.
Plus food and grog to last the distance.Ice would be nice as well.
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08-21-2016, 06:24 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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"Long range" is as useless as"Hi Fi" as a definition..
Either a boat has the structure/scantlings/build to go out in the ocean , and get caught out or it doesn't.
Weather it can put from Maine to the Bahamas on one tank and back hardly matters.
Ocean crossing boats are about 300%b more costly , and usually less comfortable inshore , so the owner needs to really want to go voyaging to bother.
Like most advertising verbiage , mostly in the mind of the viewer.
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08-21-2016, 06:33 AM
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Guru
City: Gulf Shores, Ala.
Vessel Name: Ulysses
Vessel Model: Romsdal 1963
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 878
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I would define a long range and/or blue water cruiser as one that can instill in a competent and knowledgeable operator the confidence in making an ocean crossing.
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08-21-2016, 06:45 AM
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Guru
City: Seabrook, Texas
Vessel Name: Small World
Vessel Model: Defever 50
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 611
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CPseudonym
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I REALLY want one of those,
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08-21-2016, 07:01 AM
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Guru
City: Stuart FL
Vessel Name: Lucky Lucky
Vessel Model: Pacific Mariner 65
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,760
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Damn, I see a supermarket but no dinghy dock.
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Lucky Lucky
Stuart, FL
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08-21-2016, 07:03 AM
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Guru
City: Stuart FL
Vessel Name: Lucky Lucky
Vessel Model: Pacific Mariner 65
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,760
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My picture posting is right side up. Is something wrong with the site??
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Stuart, FL
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08-21-2016, 07:06 AM
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Guru
City: Punta Gorda, fl
Vessel Name: Escapade
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37 2002
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,231
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I saw a yacht for sale that listed the boat speed and associated range.
At 7 knots the range was 2100 miles.
Is this a long range cruiser?
At 12 knots the range was 800 miles.
Is this a long range cruiser?
At 24 knots the range was 375 miles.
Gotta love V12 engine economy.
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08-21-2016, 07:35 AM
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Senior Member
City: Portage
Vessel Model: Temporary between boats
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 106
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To me an LRC means a vessel that can go to any given distinction without reliance on third parties/infrastructure. If petroleum fuel one day is no longer available, all so called LRC power boats suddenly become rafts.
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08-21-2016, 09:06 AM
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Guru
City: Everett Wa
Vessel Name: Eagle
Vessel Model: Roughwater 58 pilot house
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,919
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
Would you be comfortable crossing to Hawaii or going to Anchorage or just down the coast to San Diego? If not, why not? Your experience? Something about the boat? Or just something you wouldn't be comfortable doing in any recreational boat?
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The boat is capable and ready. Last two years had hoses replaced and exchangers on the 671 and gen done. Not much would have to be done for a cruise up down the coast. A sister trawler crossed to Hawaii a couple years ago, and another been cruising the British Columbia coast. Crossing an ocean has 0 interest. Being retired when spent several months looking at evaluating California area, with some interest. I was born at Ocean Falls BC Canada, so that still has an interest.
So what is holding us. Well we bought the boat for a dock condo on Lake Union, and we didn't know under stand what the boat was capable of, except it met all our needs wants, and it was BIG. We became a live a board with out knowing it as we stayed on the boat to often. What is this LAB charge for. At the time my wife worked in Seattle and I was transitioning from male to female. So my our live style has changed to say the least. So now the Eagle and we are real high maintenance. :flower Darn I chipped a nail.
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08-21-2016, 09:15 AM
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Guru
City: Cape May, NJ
Vessel Name: Irish Lady
Vessel Model: Monk 36
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,966
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Would be easier to define gray.
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08-21-2016, 10:24 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: SEWARD ALASKA
Vessel Name: DOS PECES
Vessel Model: BAYLINER 4788
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,267
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It may not be that easy to nail down the definition of "Long Range" as it applies to boat capability, bu every one of us knows it when we see it.
My boat, a Bayliner 4788 is not a "Long Range Cruiser", or a "Passagemaker". It is a "Coastal Cruiser". We can go anywhere we want, along any coastline we want.
The Georgous Nordhavn 50 that is for sale not 300' from me is a "long Range Cruiser" or "Passagemaker". She can go anywhere in the world.
Both my boat and "Thor" are about the same size. Both are good boats, built for entirely different purposes.
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08-21-2016, 12:21 PM
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Guru
City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48 (sold)
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,186
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Kevin
Is not the N50 about 3X your vessel's displacement? Kinda like comparing an NFLer to a equally tall soccer player.
A friend considers his vessel long distance because it can go non stop from Anacortes to Ketchikan thus avoiding high priced BC fuel. Long range is not an absolute, just a mere statement it would seem. But, there is an N57 out there called the Long Ranger. Thus your point is valid
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08-21-2016, 12:42 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Chicago, IL
Vessel Name: Bay Pelican
Vessel Model: Krogen 42
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,993
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OK, how about a different twist. A "passagemaker" is one that can cross an ocean. A "long range cruiser" is one that can do 1,000 miles with multiple stops with the crew living aboard and not returning to the home harbor.
I am borrowing (lawyers don't steal) this concept from the SCCA.
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08-21-2016, 01:29 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: SEWARD ALASKA
Vessel Name: DOS PECES
Vessel Model: BAYLINER 4788
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,267
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sunchaser
Kevin
Is not the N50 about 3X your vessel's displacement? Kinda like comparing an NFLer to a equally tall soccer player.
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Yes, you are entirely correct!
Two different boats, two different missions.
One is by any definition a "long Range Cruiser" One by any definition is not.
Like I indicated earlier, we may not be able to define the term, but we know it when we see it.
BTW, if I could convince my lovely wife to go cruise the world, that Nordhavn would be the kind of boat I would choose to do it in. Looking at it up close it is clearly a cut above any of the "yacht" type boats in the harbor in terms of ruggedness.
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08-21-2016, 04:07 PM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 5,946
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bay Pelican
I am borrowing (lawyers don't steal) this concept from the SCCA.
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" Mediocre artists borrow, great artists steal". Picasso...who 'stole' cubism from west African ceremonial masks.
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08-21-2016, 06:02 PM
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Dauntless Award
City: Wrangell, Alaska
Vessel Name: Dauntless
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 42 - 148
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,820
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bay Pelican
OK, how about a different twist. A "passagemaker" is one that can cross an ocean. A "long range cruiser" is one that can do 1,000 miles with multiple stops with the crew living aboard and not returning to the home harbor.
I am borrowing (lawyers don't steal) this concept from the SCCA.
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well stated.
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08-21-2016, 06:13 PM
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#39
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Guru
City: Kenai, Alaska
Vessel Name: Melanie Rose
Vessel Model: 1999 Willard PH
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,236
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I am with Kevin on being able to cross an ocean, but I am also of the opinion there are other considerations to the definition. The toughness to take the type of weather that you might unexpectedly (or expectedly) encounter and the hull shape to handle that weather while making good forward speed.
My little Willard has a range of over 2000 NM at 5.5 knots, over 1000 NM at 7 knots with it's 150 gallons of fuel. It is tough as a cinder block, and I have never been in weather that concerned me in it, as uncomfortable as it might have felt. But I did note that in large seas I lose much of my forward speed in going up and over the seas and my headway drops off considerably.
So to me, there is more than range involved in a "long range" vessel.
jmo
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08-21-2016, 09:53 PM
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Senior Member
City: Spring Lake, MI
Vessel Name: Great Laker
Vessel Model: American Tug 34
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 346
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I think long range is a relative concept. My AT can go from Lake MI to Mobile, AL down the river system easily on one tank. We traveled occasionally with boaters that fueled up almost every other day. In that context, I think I have a long range cruiser.
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