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Old 08-21-2016, 06:41 AM   #21
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Without any justification I have long used the US to Bermuda trip as a guideline for "long range" This is approximately 600 nm from either North Carolina or Martha's Vineyard.
While I'm not disagreeing, my boat could comfortably do that trip in less than 5 days if I wait for a good weather window. Really think the duration has to be long enough where bad weather for some portion is a reality.

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Old 08-21-2016, 07:05 AM   #22
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I would prefer the term blue water cruiser rather than long range cruiser. Almost any boat with enough fuel capacity can safely cruise 1,500 miles from Florida to Maine staying 50 miles offshore.


But it takes more than that to cross an ocean where the weather forecasts are no good after 4-5 days and you have to be able to take whatever mother nature throws at you. That means scantlings, redundant systems, ballast and most importantly- skipper smarts.


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Old 08-21-2016, 07:11 AM   #23
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I guess if you want to use the words long range and passage maker in the same sentence than a range of 2500 nautical miles would be a sensible minimum given the longest common leg seems to be California to Hawaii which is about 2250 nm plus a 10% reserve gives 2500 miles.
Plus food and grog to last the distance.Ice would be nice as well.
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Old 08-21-2016, 07:24 AM   #24
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"Long range" is as useless as"Hi Fi" as a definition..

Either a boat has the structure/scantlings/build to go out in the ocean , and get caught out or it doesn't.

Weather it can put from Maine to the Bahamas on one tank and back hardly matters.

Ocean crossing boats are about 300%b more costly , and usually less comfortable inshore , so the owner needs to really want to go voyaging to bother.

Like most advertising verbiage , mostly in the mind of the viewer.
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Old 08-21-2016, 07:33 AM   #25
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I would define a long range and/or blue water cruiser as one that can instill in a competent and knowledgeable operator the confidence in making an ocean crossing.
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Old 08-21-2016, 07:45 AM   #26
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Range only limited by the amount of food you can carry.
I REALLY want one of those,
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My picture posting is right side up. Is something wrong with the site??
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Old 08-21-2016, 08:06 AM   #29
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I saw a yacht for sale that listed the boat speed and associated range.
At 7 knots the range was 2100 miles.
Is this a long range cruiser?
At 12 knots the range was 800 miles.
Is this a long range cruiser?
At 24 knots the range was 375 miles.
Gotta love V12 engine economy.
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Old 08-21-2016, 08:35 AM   #30
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To me an LRC means a vessel that can go to any given distinction without reliance on third parties/infrastructure. If petroleum fuel one day is no longer available, all so called LRC power boats suddenly become rafts.
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Old 08-21-2016, 10:06 AM   #31
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Would you be comfortable crossing to Hawaii or going to Anchorage or just down the coast to San Diego? If not, why not? Your experience? Something about the boat? Or just something you wouldn't be comfortable doing in any recreational boat?
The boat is capable and ready. Last two years had hoses replaced and exchangers on the 671 and gen done. Not much would have to be done for a cruise up down the coast. A sister trawler crossed to Hawaii a couple years ago, and another been cruising the British Columbia coast. Crossing an ocean has 0 interest. Being retired when spent several months looking at evaluating California area, with some interest. I was born at Ocean Falls BC Canada, so that still has an interest.

So what is holding us. Well we bought the boat for a dock condo on Lake Union, and we didn't know under stand what the boat was capable of, except it met all our needs wants, and it was BIG. We became a live a board with out knowing it as we stayed on the boat to often. What is this LAB charge for. At the time my wife worked in Seattle and I was transitioning from male to female. So my our live style has changed to say the least. So now the Eagle and we are real high maintenance. :flower Darn I chipped a nail.
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Old 08-21-2016, 10:15 AM   #32
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Would be easier to define gray.
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It may not be that easy to nail down the definition of "Long Range" as it applies to boat capability, bu every one of us knows it when we see it.

My boat, a Bayliner 4788 is not a "Long Range Cruiser", or a "Passagemaker". It is a "Coastal Cruiser". We can go anywhere we want, along any coastline we want.

The Georgous Nordhavn 50 that is for sale not 300' from me is a "long Range Cruiser" or "Passagemaker". She can go anywhere in the world.

Both my boat and "Thor" are about the same size. Both are good boats, built for entirely different purposes.
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Old 08-21-2016, 01:21 PM   #34
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Is not the N50 about 3X your vessel's displacement? Kinda like comparing an NFLer to a equally tall soccer player.

A friend considers his vessel long distance because it can go non stop from Anacortes to Ketchikan thus avoiding high priced BC fuel. Long range is not an absolute, just a mere statement it would seem. But, there is an N57 out there called the Long Ranger. Thus your point is valid
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OK, how about a different twist. A "passagemaker" is one that can cross an ocean. A "long range cruiser" is one that can do 1,000 miles with multiple stops with the crew living aboard and not returning to the home harbor.

I am borrowing (lawyers don't steal) this concept from the SCCA.
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Is not the N50 about 3X your vessel's displacement? Kinda like comparing an NFLer to a equally tall soccer player.
Yes, you are entirely correct!

Two different boats, two different missions.

One is by any definition a "long Range Cruiser" One by any definition is not.

Like I indicated earlier, we may not be able to define the term, but we know it when we see it.

BTW, if I could convince my lovely wife to go cruise the world, that Nordhavn would be the kind of boat I would choose to do it in. Looking at it up close it is clearly a cut above any of the "yacht" type boats in the harbor in terms of ruggedness.
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Old 08-21-2016, 05:07 PM   #37
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I am borrowing (lawyers don't steal) this concept from the SCCA.
"Mediocre artists borrow, great artists steal". Picasso...who 'stole' cubism from west African ceremonial masks.
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OK, how about a different twist. A "passagemaker" is one that can cross an ocean. A "long range cruiser" is one that can do 1,000 miles with multiple stops with the crew living aboard and not returning to the home harbor.

I am borrowing (lawyers don't steal) this concept from the SCCA.
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I am with Kevin on being able to cross an ocean, but I am also of the opinion there are other considerations to the definition. The toughness to take the type of weather that you might unexpectedly (or expectedly) encounter and the hull shape to handle that weather while making good forward speed.

My little Willard has a range of over 2000 NM at 5.5 knots, over 1000 NM at 7 knots with it's 150 gallons of fuel. It is tough as a cinder block, and I have never been in weather that concerned me in it, as uncomfortable as it might have felt. But I did note that in large seas I lose much of my forward speed in going up and over the seas and my headway drops off considerably.

So to me, there is more than range involved in a "long range" vessel.

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I think long range is a relative concept. My AT can go from Lake MI to Mobile, AL down the river system easily on one tank. We traveled occasionally with boaters that fueled up almost every other day. In that context, I think I have a long range cruiser.
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