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10-05-2016, 01:58 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Morro Bay, CA
Vessel Name: Wild Blue
Vessel Model: Selene 57
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 66
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Crossed Restricted Bar, Received CG Citation
Yesterday we failed to call the Coast Guard before crossing the Quileute River bar into La Push, Washington. The bar had been restricted earlier and we missed that CG VHF broadcast. Once inside the marina, CG arrived and inspected the boat, and we received a citation for crossing a restricted bar. We posted a video of the stormy ocean and our bar crossing at m/v WILD BLUE Cruising Blog. I expect we will be fined. Alex
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10-05-2016, 03:32 PM
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Guru
City: Pahrump, NV
Vessel Name: Pairadice
Vessel Model: Sold Selene 47
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,967
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What a bummer! We pulled into La Push a few weeks back ourselves. Guess I better check all bar crossing on next years trip up north. Hope the fine isn't too bad, good luck.
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10-05-2016, 03:35 PM
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Guru
City: gulf coast
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,440
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looks like you did very well but had to get close to those rocks. Is it a very narrow opening? How fast were you going?
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10-05-2016, 03:35 PM
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,046
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Glad you made it into Port safely. Sorry about the confusion with the bar closing. Watching the videos it is pretty impressive at how effective your stabilizers are.
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10-05-2016, 04:14 PM
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Guru
City: Stuart FL
Vessel Name: Lucky Lucky
Vessel Model: Pacific Mariner 65
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,759
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On Tuesday we were cruising down Chesapeake Bay to Norfolk, VA following the route we have used for years. I received a phone call and turned the volume on the VHF way down. About a half hour later we were chased down by a navy patrol boat. They pulled alongside and asked if I had a VHF. I said of course. They said they had been calling me and I had ignored their broadcasts about a military security zone comprised of a 6 mile X 6 mile area. I said I never heard them. They asked what channel was I on and I said 16/13.
They then instructed me to follow them. I did. I then discovered that I had never raised the VHF volume after my phone call. They then passed me off to a second patrol boat and instructed me to follow them. They escorted me out of the security zone. Then they instructed me to stay on a heading of 210 degrees to the Annapolis ship channel. They were courteous at all times and wished me a safe trip.
Now that my radio was back on I heard them contact another boat. They were told to head towards shore as they were 3 miles into the security zone. They were told to proceed at top speed for the safety of themselves and their vessel as a bomb was to be dropped shortly. Holy crap.
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Howard
Lucky Lucky
Stuart, FL
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10-05-2016, 04:29 PM
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,046
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I have gotten into the habit of calling the CG before crossing. I also wait on weather so I don't run into these issues.
Howard, there is a place in Canada called WG or Whiskey Gulf in which military exercises are held and if you violate it they are not as nice as they were to you.
We also had a sub surface in the middle of Juan De Fuca and the CG were professional, yet not nice when a sail boat sailed into the restricted area. They got real close to boarding and sailing the boat out themselves.
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10-05-2016, 04:41 PM
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Guru
City: Sidney BC Canada
Vessel Name: RochePoint
Vessel Model: 1985 Cheer Men PT38 Sedan
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,744
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Do to never having a bar crossing what does "Voyage Terminated Due to Restricted Bar Crossing" at the end of your blog mean?
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10-05-2016, 04:57 PM
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Guru
City: Adelaide
Vessel Name: Kokanee
Vessel Model: Cuddles 30 Pilot House Motor Sailer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,218
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Was the bar closed, or was the fine for failing to check with the CG?
The conditions don't seem all that bad.
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10-05-2016, 05:38 PM
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Guru
City: Port Townsend, WA
Vessel Name: Traveler
Vessel Model: Cheoy Lee 46 LRC
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,573
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Great videos! Thanks for sharing. I subsequently shared your crossing video on our Facebook page.
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10-05-2016, 06:00 PM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,293
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Acquiring the knowledge the bar is "restricted" seems somewhat haphazard. Are there are rules obliging you to check status before each crossing,and a designated way to do it?
Acquiring local knowledge, be it CG or otherwise, before crossing, would be valuable.
I`m thinking of the bar into Lake Macquarie here in NSW. It is immediately seawards of an opening road bridge,there is a channel through the bar,and the channel is known to relocate itself. You can imagine how useful local info could be. I`ve viewed the bar being crossed, but only from land,usually while stuck in traffic at the opening bridge. It looks scary.
Some well used coastal bars here are displayed online by fixed cameras. There are rules for bar crossings, like mandatory wearing of lifejackets.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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10-05-2016, 06:30 PM
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Guru
City: Pender Harbour, BC
Vessel Name: Gwaii Haanas
Vessel Model: Custom Aluminum 52
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 3,791
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I crossed a bar last night too but it was no big deal, after two pints I needed to go, the pool players didn't mind and the washrooms were clean.
I've never heard of a restricted bar, is it because of conditions or the CG is having their tea?
Area WG openings are broadcast on the weather channel so if you call the CG on channel 16 to ask if it's open you are broadcasting to the world that you haven't listened to the w/x. If you call on 83a nobody except CG listens to that one so fewer fellow Boater's will think you're feckless.
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10-05-2016, 06:38 PM
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Senior Member
City: Tasmania
Vessel Model: Old Town Loon
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 218
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Acquiring the knowledge the bar is "restricted" seems somewhat haphazard. Are there are rules obliging you to check status before each crossing,and a designated way to do it?
Acquiring local knowledge, be it CG or otherwise, before crossing, would be valuable.
I`m thinking of the bar into Lake Macquarie here in NSW. It is immediately seawards of an opening road bridge,there is a channel through the bar,and the channel is known to relocate itself. You can imagine how useful local info could be. I`ve viewed the bar being crossed, but only from land,usually while stuck in traffic at the opening bridge. It looks scary.
Some well used coastal bars here are displayed online by fixed cameras. There are rules for bar crossings, like mandatory wearing of lifejackets.
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Bruce the Lake Maquarie bar is actually not to bad. We have crossed it a couple of times. It used to be monitored by Swansea Marine Rescue but last time we were there they had consolidated with Lake Maquarie VMR.
The bars further north at Yamba and Ballina can be sporty given the right weather. We do call the Coast Gaurd or VMR before crossing and have heard them issue cautions but I don't know if they can close them.
Alex what does a "restricts bar" actually mean? Do you have to get authorisation to cross it and why was it restricted?
Brett
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10-05-2016, 08:26 PM
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Senior Member
City: Green Country
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 243
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Looks as though 33 CFR part 165 applies. They apparently can authorize on a case by case basis, and are suppose to broadcast a Notice to Mariners on 22A.
Might suggest it was worse outside....
www.uscg.mil/d13/cfvs/PDFs/RNABars1.pdf
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10-05-2016, 10:48 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Morro Bay, CA
Vessel Name: Wild Blue
Vessel Model: Selene 57
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 66
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Responses to Questions on Restricted Bar Crossing
Here are responses to questions:
Bayview: The entrance is quite narrow. During the crossing we were varying our rpm from 1100-1500, or 6 to 9 knots, and using generous rudder to help control the boats direction in the big chop.
Dhays: Didn't realize how much the stabilizers were dampening the roll until they automatically disengaged as our speed slowed to 4 knots upon climbing a big swell. Without them the roll was deep and dramatic. We promptly re-engaged in manual mode so they couldn't disengage. The admiral, who is not aboard for this cruise, never allows the stabilizers to be disengaged, even for research purposes, so we learned from this experience.
Mike on RochePoint: "Voyage Terminated Due to Restricted Bar Crossing" is written in the summary section of the citation. Rule 33CFR177 is cited. The CG Officer told me our voyage was terminated until the bar reopens.
Ausan: The bar was closed to all commercial and pleasure traffic. The conditions did not seem bad, especially for a 60-foot trawler. The Officer did not mention a fine. However the fisherman on the boat next to us said a local crossed a restricted bar and received a $1000 fine. That's the basis for us expecting to be fined.
Brett on Jetstream; MRRiley: The officer cited 33CFR177 and said we were supposed to contact the CG for permission to cross.
Alex
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10-05-2016, 11:41 PM
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Guru
City: LaConner
Vessel Model: 34' CHB
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,257
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Conditions were pretty good there actually. I used to cross over that bar regularly with my dad on smaller boats than that, salmon trollers. Ever find out why it was restricted or closed? Shouldn't have been on account of conditions I wouldn't think. Pretty nice ocean really judging from your videos.
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10-09-2016, 09:01 PM
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,046
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Folks I have been on the Columbia River Bar when it was very rough. You don't mess with it unless you and your crew wants to die. If the bar is restricted, then stay off of it. Follow the USCG instructions.................
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10-09-2016, 11:00 PM
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Guru
City: LaConner
Vessel Model: 34' CHB
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,257
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan Sea-Duction
Folks I have been on the Columbia River Bar when it was very rough. You don't mess with it unless you and your crew wants to die. If the bar is restricted, then stay off of it. Follow the USCG instructions.................
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Not on Sea-Duction I hope! Boats like ours don't usually survive the Columbia bar when its very rough.
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10-09-2016, 11:38 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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All the bars of the PNW were new to us a couple of years ago. Fortunately we were told to always clear with the CG or be 100% of the status. For instance, when exiting with five fishing charters in front of you, don't need to contact, but traveling alone, always. Now, we were told the restrictions came about not just because of danger to you, but when situations were such that a rescue operation would put CG lives in danger. I have a feeling if you confirm you're not from there and that you didn't know, you'll have a chance to get a greatly reduced fine.
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10-10-2016, 12:01 PM
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Senior Member
City: Houston
Vessel Name: Alegría
Vessel Model: Overblue 48
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 237
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I glanced at the CFR (posted above) and recall there was a formula involved that compared wave height and vessel length and freeboard (don't have it in front of me, now). So a bar might be closed to a 30' vessel but not to a 100' one. That might be the "case-by-case."
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10-11-2016, 12:35 PM
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,046
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 78puget-trawler
Not on Sea-Duction I hope! Boats like ours don't usually survive the Columbia bar when its very rough.
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Now that I have some experience under my belt the Columbia Bar is no big deal if you do it right and under the right conditions.
This was our first experience just after we bought ASD and brought her up from S.F. Yes we just about bought the farm when a hugh wave put us broadside to the waves in the middle of the Bar and it was still open as others up and down the coast were closing.
The Alaskan Sea-Duction: The Big Voyage
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