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Old 12-27-2013, 07:00 PM   #21
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using the swim platform is all about how you boat...if you are mostly in marinas...not important....

dingy, diving, emergencies, etc...etc....the swim platform is your connection to the world outside your boat...so it DOES become a big deal...but only for those that enter or need to get close to the water on a daily basis....occasionally climbing down a ladder is no big deal or if you are still young or don't have a dog that needs to get there (though at some point getting a dog to the dingy is black magic for ANY boat).
All the above plus when at a floating dock. With the dinghy down and the snap davits hooked, the dog can walk right our of the boat and into the dinghy. Easy, peasy.

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Old 12-27-2013, 07:09 PM   #22
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:46 PM   #23
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if you haven't had or used a dingy a lot...of course your use of a swim platform would be a stretch....there are some boats that don't dingy up to the swim platform...but they are rare in the powerboat world.
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if you haven't had or used a dingy a lot...of course your use of a swim platform would be a stretch....there are some boats that don't dingy up to the swim platform...but they are rare in the powerboat world.
We've "dinghied up" at the side of the boat. Not an option on most boats needing steps to board aside from a dock, I fear.



(Petaluma docks are a nice height: equal to the Coot's deck.)
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Old 12-27-2013, 08:03 PM   #25
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We've "dinghied up" at the side of the boat.
out for a pleasure row tied to the dock...or loading up a dingy and getting a heavy anchor and rode out to kedge off is a really rough anchorage???

as I posted before...if you are gonna mostly marina hop in fair weather...of course your requirements in a boat may be different that what others may choose to place higher on the priority list.
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Old 12-27-2013, 08:20 PM   #26
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out for a pleasure row tied to the dock...or loading up a dingy and getting a heavy anchor and rode out to kedge off is a really rough anchorage???
For this boat, it is easier from the side. ... The stern ladder is for those who have already fallen into the water.
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All the pilot boats meeting/connecting with ships I've observed, were never on the stern. (What would you expect when the ship is underway?)

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There is nothing negative about a swim platform, or a cockpit. A swim step and or a cockpit do not affect anything except for the ease of getting on and off the boat.

Boats that do not have a cockpit are not better, or more for serious cruisers, or anything.
The designers, in eliminating the cockpit are choosing to use that space for the boats interior, much in the same way that a boat without side decks utilizes that space to make a larger interior.

We need to remember that for a given length and width, there is only so much room. Every designer makes compromises on how to use that space, within the norms of boat design. One compromise is not better or worse than another, per se.

As a buyer we all choose what features are most important to us, and choose boat models that have those features. In doing so, we are of course all giving up any other use for that space.
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All the pilot boats meeting/connecting with ships I've observed, were never on the stern. (What would you expect when the ship is underway?)
you are trying to compare a recreational cruising boat and how many people use it to a ship/pilot boat operation?
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you are trying to compare a recreational cruising boat and how many people use it to a ship/pilot boat operation?
No, I'm just saying we do it "like the professionals" because it fits our boat.
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Old 12-27-2013, 08:56 PM   #31
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Maybe Al (FlyWright) can decide this.

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You will not see that boat top on any pilot boat in the lower missippi. They climb a rope ladder from the deck. It can be a little ruff when they board a ship. Most boaters dont understand the difference between calm water and the real thing in an emergency. How many have thought "I will step up into the life raft if my boat is sinking". The inflatable raft will probably not be there anymore. If it is it will probably be wrapped up in the rigging. More on subject, I've not had a boat that was as accesible as my house. I always just thought it was normal to contort myself into some kind of abnormal position to access a filter,connection,hose,pump,socket dropped in the bilge,etc, or endlessly walk up and down stairs to get anywhere on the boat. It is, after all, a boat. However, my buddy has a 30 foot pontoon with no stairs. Used mostly in a lake by his house.
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When shopping for our boat, my late wife gave me these instructions.
  • Get the driving out of the kitchen
  • Get the engine out of the living room
  • Absolutely no ladders
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Here she is on our last cruise together. We were heading South near Cumberland Island. This is one thing she loved to do. She passed away a couple of weeks after this photo. We had cruised thousands of miles together.
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When shopping for our boat, my late wife gave me these instructions.[*]Get the driving out of the kitchen[*]Get the engine out of the living room[*]Absolutely no ladders[*]As few steps as possible[*]2 private sleeping areas[*]A good navigator station with a comfortable chair & great visibility[*]Good weather protection[*]Wide side decks with good rails[*]Easy on and off Here she is on our last cruise together. We were heading South near Cumberland Island. This is one thing she loved to do. She passed away a couple of weeks after this photo. We had cruised thousands of miles together.
Im sorry to hear about her passing, my condolences are with you. On another note, I like the trim on on your Stidd chairs,bit looks nice. Hopefully we'll see you in the Abaco's, so we tour each other's boats.
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Im sorry to hear about her passing, my condolences are with you. On another note, I like the trim on on your Stidd chairs,bit looks nice. Hopefully we'll see you in the Abaco's, so we tour each other's boats.
Thanks, Oliver. It's hard to believe that was nearly 8 years ago. My blog wasn't even started until after that. Since this thread was about livability of a boat, I just thought her requirements were pertinent. She had certainly been around boats enough to know what she wanted.

You won't have to set aside too much time to tour our boat. You can stand in one spot and see just about all of it. Love those Nordhavns.
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Thanks, Oliver. It's hard to believe that was nearly 8 years ago. My blog wasn't even started until after that. Since this thread was about livability of a boat, I just thought her requirements were pertinent. She had certainly been around boats enough to know what she wanted. You won't have to set aside too much time to tour our boat. You can stand in one spot and see just about all of it. Love those Nordhavns.
Again my condolences . What's the link to your blog forgot it, sorry. Also most of the time will be in the ER checking out your systems, I'm sure you will do the same.
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Again my condolences . What's the link to your blog forgot it, sorry. Also most of the time will be in the ER checking out your systems, I'm sure you will do the same.
The link is under my signature line.

Now, I'm going to have to clean my engine room.
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The link is under my signature line. Now, I'm going to have to clean my engine room.
LOL! I don't see it, there's no signature. That's weird, I have signatures turned on, on the app. I'll go on my desktop.
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