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Old 12-01-2012, 10:52 AM   #21
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I've crossed bars many times on my way to the mens room and only fallen down once. Don't know what all the fuss is about.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:11 PM   #22
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Here are some North Sea fishing boats

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2239231/North-Sea-trawlermen-Fishing-boat-battered-waves-brave-crew-carry-dangerous-job-world.html
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:39 PM   #23
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Yes, that would be the Geymouth, or possibly Westport bar off the west coast of the South Island of NZ for sure. Those guys do it all the time, and they keep together so they can help each other if one of then comes unstuck. All the same, they have lost some boats coming in on a really bad day. But its their living, so somebody's got to do it.
I'm not sure exactly what they mainly catch, but the fact one brave sole on the rear boat took a photo before diving back inside suggests the waves were even impressing them a bit...
The video mentioned the Columbia river bar. http://www.oregonstateparks.org/imag...rd_pacific.pdf

This isnt even the worst of Oregons bars
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:45 PM   #24
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Do you mean flood tide?

No, I meant at highest slack tide, just as the ebb starts so I catch it at the deepest possible water, get some boost from the tidal flow and get over the bar before the waves start forming.

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Old 12-01-2012, 03:50 PM   #25
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Do you mean flood tide?

No, I meant at highest slack tide, just as the ebb starts so I catch it at the deepest possible water, get some boost from the tidal flow and get over the bar before the waves start forming.

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Highest slack tide can be just before flood tide. What you meant is slack tide at high tide right?
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:17 PM   #26
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I think dvd meant what he wrote. He departed the Columbia River for the ocean at the start of the ebb tide. So he basically had slack water but with a degree of current (plus the river current) pushing him along. I believe when things can get rough is when you have the river current colliding with the flooding tide.

We do the same thing when we traverse Dodd Narrows south of Nanaimo. We try to time it so we arrive at the narrows just as the tide is turning and there is a wee bit of a current going in our direction although we have gone through with a bit of current against us. Slack water is very short in narrows like this so given all the other variables in timing a run to get to a certain spot at a certain time the chances are good you'll have to deal with something of a current at Dodd.

I took the first photo as we were approaching Dodd from the south. The second photo of Dodd in full song is off the web.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:24 PM   #27
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We day hopped our way down the WA/OR coast and learned from the locals that with the prevailing on shore winds, "flood was fine, ebb was evil".

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...This isnt even the worst of Oregons bars
What commercial bar crossing is worse?
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:24 PM   #28
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Do you mean flood tide?

No, I meant at highest slack tide, just as the ebb starts so I catch it at the deepest possible water, get some boost from the tidal flow and get over the bar before the waves start forming.

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Got it! I have only crossed San Francisco bar ( the "Potato Patch") so I have limited experience with other locations. However, we find that it's best to cross the potato patch during the end of the flood to minimize steep and close waves and swell coming in off the Pacific. I'd rather push against the last of the ebb rather than suffer the consequences.

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Old 12-01-2012, 04:33 PM   #29
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Can someone explain that structure projecting from the port side of #8876? A permanent flopper-stopper?
isnt that a bird? a type of stabilizer
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:19 PM   #30
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:16 PM   #31
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:46 PM   #32
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bfloyd, Do you still have the wreckage of the New Carissa on your coast or was it successfully salvaged?





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Old 12-02-2012, 08:19 PM   #33
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bfloyd, Do you still have the wreckage of the New Carissa on your coast or was it successfully salvaged?





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Good question. I've walked lots of the beachs north of Coos Bay to even north of Reedsport but havent seen it. Thats maybe a hundred miles of coastline but i havent walked or traveled all of it. I'll see what i can find and let u know

a quike searh found this link which stated the last peice was removed in 2008 http://www.oregon.gov/dsl/lw/Pages/carissa.aspx
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:34 PM   #34
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We had a TV series, I think called "Trawlermen" ( "trawlerpersons" to be PC), of a trawler fleet out of UK, great pics of scary weather and stories of the daily perils. But the "Greymouth" footage is about as exciting as it gets. Even so I reckon the helmsman, oops, helmsperson, was probably smoking a cigarette and thought it a greater health hazard than the bar.
Having visited Greymouth, boats crossing the bar is probably the most interesting thing that happens there.
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Potato Patch Shoal outside Golden Gate.

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During my 1960s teenage years racing on my father's 28.5-foot sloop, close-by sailboats would disappear, except for the tops of their sails among the waves.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:55 PM   #36
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Potato Patch Shoal outside Golden Gate.

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During my 1960s teenage years racing on my father's 28.5-foot sloop, close-by sailboats would disappear, except for the tops of their sails among the waves.
taters is fur eatin nopt surfin
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Potatoes were once grown along the coast. Before there was good land transportation, they were shipped in boats, some of which lost their loads in the shoal due to the waves.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:13 PM   #38
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Potatoes were once grown along the coast. Before there was good land transportation, they were shipped in boats, some of which lost their loads in the shoal due to the waves.
I heard it got its name from flyers in ww2 who flew over it and thought the sea looked like a potatoe patch
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:38 PM   #39
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isnt that a bird? a type of stabilizer
"Bird" is a term for the streamlined, finned (winged) weight that is suspended from deployed trolling poles or purpose-built stabilizer poles on a boat. It's the thing that actually resists the rolling and provides the passive stabilization. Another term commonly used for the weight is "fish." I have always heard them called "birds" by the commercial fishermen I've talked to up here. And there are probably other terms, too.
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I've never crossed a bar like that but have done quite a bit of reading on how to cross a bar, and after watching that video a few times, I have some questions about how to do it properly.

As I understand how to handle your boat in those waves, the best way to do it is to ride the back of the wave in front of you and avoid waves coming under your stern. Obviously, from watching that video that's how the fishing boats kept being tossed about and nearly broaching. It seemed the fishing boats didn't have enough speed/power to keep up with the waves.

My question is this...if those two boats had been able to crank out a few more knots so as to be able to ride on the backs of the waves, wouldn't they have had a much easier time of that crossing?
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