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Old 08-24-2019, 10:28 AM   #1
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I cruise the new England area. When the CG announces a alert to Mariners they do so too quickly to take notes. They will provide latitude and longitude once.
Has anyone else noted this and how can I notify the CG that boaters need to have a more time?
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Which sector?


Call and ask to speak to the oerations officer.


Pretty sure not much will change.


If routine weekly notice, you can find them online, even get them emailed to you.
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Sector southeast NE.

Will try contacting the operations officer
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Keep a small hand held tape recorder handy?
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We have the same problem with Sector Detroit. Unfortunately the CG teaches the watchstanders to get on and off the radio as quickly as possible. I have spoken to some OICs about it but it didnít help. If you want to be efficient with air time then the message needs to be understandable the first time. They need to slow down and speak distinctly so that boaters are able to understand the message. Particularly since the boating population is getting older and are less able to hear what is said on the radio. Doint it right the first time is actually faster that repeating it.
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It is that way all across the country. I have wondered why at the minimum in addition to the laborious lat and lon figures they don't also indicate an approximate verbal location like 5 miles south of Point X.


I can relate to the later and if I am in the area I will keep an eye out or come to help. But with just lat and lon figures, never. Could be 100 miles away.



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I often wish my radios had a 1 minute rewind capability to be able to repeat the last transmissions for verification. Are there radios out there with a playback/repeat capability?
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I often wish my radios had a 1 minute rewind capability to be able to repeat the last transmissions for verification. Are there radios out there with a playback/repeat capability?
Just google "VHF Recording System." Plenty of them.
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Just google "VHF Recording System." Plenty of them.
That opens up a question. Is it legal to record in all jurisdictions. Many states have a one party recording rule which allows pretty much anything. However, the two party states require the consent of both parties of a conversation.

Are there special rules for VHF perhaps?
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I often wish my radios had a 1 minute rewind capability to be able to repeat the last transmissions for verification. Are there radios out there with a playback/repeat capability?
That is why I recommended a small tape recorder at the helm. Get to listen to it again and again, until it makes sense.
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You can always call the back and ask them to repeat crucial info.


I use an old Army helo driver trick and keep a grease pencil at the helm. In an emergency just write as fast as you can on the window next to you.
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It is that way all across the country. I have wondered why at the minimum in addition to the laborious lat and lon figures they don't also indicate an approximate verbal location like 5 miles south of Point X.


I can relate to the later and if I am in the area I will keep an eye out or come to help. But with just lat and lon figures, never. Could be 100 miles away.

I complain a fair amount about Sector Puget Sound personelís inconsistent radio performance. Often they speak too fast, and about half the time the speech isnít loud enough or enunciated clearly enough. Some radio operators just arenít as good as others.

However, something that Sector Puget Sound does well I think is give locations. They give lat-long but they also give a description based on local landmarks. Anyone familiar with Puget Sound knows that this is really important, since you might be with a nm of a lat-long location, but only in a straight line. You may be a very long way away by water.

There are occasional problems with that however. Last weekend a boat had a fire on board. They told the USCG that they were by Hope Island. The USCG operator gave that location when they made the first request for assistance call on ch 16. The only problem is that there are two Hope Islands in Puget Sound. One is SW of Harstine Island in the South Sound and the other is up near Deception Pass. The second radio call by the USCG not only had a lat-long but also the description ďHope Island near Budd InletĒ which would immediately let local boaters know what they were talking about. Iím sure they are a lot of South Sound boaters who arenít aware of the more northerly Hope Island and visa versa.
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[QUOTE=psneeld;794843]You can always call the back and ask them to repeat crucial info.

Maybe if enough people keep asking for a repeat because you could not understand it or it was too fast they will take notice and start slowing down and trying to enunciate better. Canít hurt but I think that a lot of boaters are too intimidated to question the CG. But remember they are just people too.
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Just call them back on 16, switch back to 22A and ask them to repeat for you. BNMs are also included in the weekly LNMs. Very seldom is something critical involved, they cover those with securite or pan pan broadcasts.
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The Pan Pans and Securities are also difficult to understand here.
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The Pan Pans and Securities are also difficult to understand here.
So my same comment applies. Try it!
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That opens up a question. Is it legal to record in all jurisdictions. Many states have a one party recording rule which allows pretty much anything. However, the two party states require the consent of both parties of a conversation.

Are there special rules for VHF perhaps?
There are no restrictions to recording a broadcasted public service announcement, nor are there any legal liabilities in doing so.

The laws you are referring to are in cases of private conversations, where an expectation of privacy is present from one or both parties.
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That is why I recommended a small tape recorder at the helm. Get to listen to it again and again, until it makes sense.
you mean a small iphone
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I agree that Sector Puget Sound is hard to understand.

There was one women on during the day, in the past two months, who spoke slowly and was easy to understand. She had a very slight southern accent.

The rest was hard to understand

In comparison, the Canada Coast Guard Vancouver Island personnnal talks slow, enounciate well and very easy to understand. I really appreciate after a listening to a VHF mayday situation, that the Canada Coast Guard personnel often broadcasts an "all's well" announcement.

I was told by a Canadian friend that the Canada Coast Guard had more career personnel manning the VHF.
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I agree that Sector Puget Sound is hard to understand.

There was one women on during the day, in the past two months, who spoke slowly and was easy to understand. She had a very slight southern accent.

The rest was hard to understand

In comparison, the Canada Coast Guard Vancouver Island personnnal talks slow, enounciate well and very easy to understand. I really appreciate after a listening to a VHF mayday situation, that the Canada Coast Guard personnel often broadcasts an "all's well" announcement.

I was told by a Canadian friend that the Canada Coast Guard had more career personnel manning the VHF.

I believe I heard the same woman last weekend. She was very good.

I also have had the same impression with the Canadian Coast Guard, at least out of Victoria. They are easy to understand.
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