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Old 01-14-2019, 08:55 PM   #1
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A City Marina Doing It Right

We are anchored right outside our neighborhood this evening as the tides are awkward for the lock tomorrow morning.

Off to St Augustine City Marina for a couple of days to resolve the post holiday blahs. We were just there mid November for the Nights of Lights (which is still going on).

Our holding tank is half full so I had a look to see what the pump out facilities were dowm there. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. An all around well run facility.

365 days a year. Pump out for all, and a water tender every day of the year.

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Old 01-14-2019, 11:27 PM   #2
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What a well run marina! My municipal marina is a far cry from that. Wish I lived there...

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Old 01-15-2019, 05:22 AM   #3
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What is a city marina? It's funded by the state? We don't have any in Mass. that I'm aware of.
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We just spent 2 weeks on a mooring there, it's a regular stop on our migration south. They are still finalizing hurricane damage repairs, nearly completed. There were improvements made to the park-like area at the head of the piers, it's a very well maintained facility. Pumpouts work, easy to schedule even with the pumpout boat. They even have disposal facilities for waste oil and filters, unusual for a municipal facility. Groceries are a bit far away, but not too far by bike. Lots of Uber/Lyft options there as well. Highly recommend a stop there of more than an overnight.
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:31 AM   #5
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What is a city marina? It's funded by the state? We don't have any in Mass. that I'm aware of.


South of Heaven, not really a city but... Town of Gosnold marina on Cuttyhunk Island.
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:54 AM   #6
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What is a city marina? It's funded by the state? We don't have any in Mass. that I'm aware of.

I'm 99% certain Taylor Point Marina in Buzzards Bay is a city marina. Nice one too.
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What is a city marina? It's funded by the state? We don't have any in Mass. that I'm aware of.
A Municipal Marina is usually run by the City. They are typically self-funded through transient slips and mooring rentals. Usually, it's just the mooring field, but occassionally a community will have a Marina as well.

Mitchell Park Marina; Greenport, NY
New London Municipal Marina; New London, Ct.
Riverhead, NY

You might not be aware it's a Municipal Marina, but they are out there.
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Beautiful Marina but they lose several million dollars a year. Local taxpayers (of which I'm one) are looking for relief. The closed down waterfront restaurant next door, Was denied a permit for docks and a rebuild plan by local resident. No cost to the city and would have brought in much needed tax revenue and restored a local landmark.
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Beautiful Marina but they lose several million dollars a year. Local taxpayers (of which I'm one) are looking for relief. The closed down waterfront restaurant next door, Was denied a permit for docks and a rebuild plan by local resident. No cost to the city and would have brought in much needed tax revenue and restored a local landmark.
Is there any way of working out the true cost, not looking at just the City coffers? For example revenue to the businesses from visitors, to the pirate ship and Freedom, etc. etc?
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Vero Beach is another good stop. Bus runs a circuit and is free, Publix within walking distance (walk over, Uber back), decent restaurants nearby.
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It turns out that Edgartwon, Ma also has a municipal marina. We've used their moorings a couple of times.
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Is there any way of working out the true cost, not looking at just the City coffers? For example revenue to the businesses from visitors, to the pirate ship and Freedom, etc. etc?
Not real sure If they account for the trickle down tourist affect.

Lots of people were surprised and mad that the Santa Maria project got denied.It would have meant a lot of additional tax money for the city. David White is the owner, he also owns O.C Whites restaurant across the street and the property where A1A Ale house is.
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Is it denied completely, or just this version of the planning?
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What is a city marina? It's funded by the state? We don't have any in Mass. that I'm aware of.
No, not funded by the state. That would be a state marina as in Michigan. These are funded by the city.
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Is there any way of working out the true cost, not looking at just the City coffers? For example revenue to the businesses from visitors, to the pirate ship and Freedom, etc. etc?
Under a normal year, the St. Augustine Marina does not lose money. Shockingly, neither does the St. Augustine Visitors Center.

Here was the marina's 2018 budget.

Revenues $2,965,105
Expenses $2,965,105

The revenues were primarily dockage at $1,142,000, diesel at $1,236,700 and gasoline at $416,640.

Expenses were primarily Operations at $2,245,583 and transfers out (to the city) of $233,610 for Administrative and $512,944 for other.

In 2017, the Marina fund (ending June 2018) had operating income of $211,066. Revenues were $2,631,582 and Expenses were $2,422,594.

I do know they were well below capacity during and after Matthew and Irma. I don't find anything that indicates they lose several million dollars a year.

I will add that the repair after Irma is quite expensive and coming from a capital program although much to be paid by FEMA. Last number I saw for that was well over $2 million total.
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We enjoyed the St. Augustine Municipal Marina when we stayed there.

The last time (more recently) we were in town, we weren't on the boat. Folks around didn't have much good to say about the restaurant... but we didn't try it, partly because it also seemed crowded.

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Old 01-15-2019, 05:05 PM   #18
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Chris, the Santa Maria restaurant was indeed known by locals as a gimicky tourist trap that had been very run down for years with so-so food. But it was on the water!
It has been calling for a remodel for decades, so I don't understand why they won't let him rebuild. Though I did hear today that part of his proposal may have been a small dock set up for visiting boats. Not sure if the city had an issue with that given it is right next to the city owned marina that has hourly facilities!
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:56 PM   #19
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Love st. Augustine municipal marina! Pump out right to you! Unfortunately my marina has so many huge boats by the pump out that it is nearly impossible to get to. It’s easier for me to go across the pond, plus I run her a bit.
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There are a couple of city marina up here, some offers 2 or 3 free docking nights for free. This a way for cities to attract some tourist but space is limited as is service. Usually when it is free overnight you don't have any service beyond lavatories. Also when fees are required it is often cheaper than private marinas. I used some of them and while not a luxury place I was pretty happy for the price I paid. As an example, the Montebello city marina mid way from Ottawa to my home port cost me something like 35CAD (20 USD) a night wit power and water where the same cost me 100$CAD (80USD) at the nearby luxurious hotel Chateau Montebello with pool etc. I am fine with the city one (I know I am a cheap guy lol).

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