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Old 09-09-2015, 07:51 PM   #1
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A Case For Rear View Mirrors

This came up in the "interesting boats" thread, and rather than hijack that great thread. I thought I'd start a new one. In case you didn't see this article from Woody Boater magazine from 2012, you should read it. It describes the true story of a woody Grand Banks trawler that was run over by a freighter just a couple of miles from my home port. Absolutely gripping reading, and, a case for rear view mirrors.
A Life-Changing Journey, Part 1 The Adventure | Classic Boats / Woody Boater
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It's been posted before, but if you haven't read it, you need to.
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Amazing story! My only thought, "you're running a boat with poor rear visibility in a commercial shipping channel and you're not monitoring your radar?" I don't go anywhere day or night without the radar and AIS on and being monitored.

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That is an excellent read, but I do have a question. In the photo of the boat there is a radar at the top of the mast. Why was this not on? It would have shown the freighter coming up behind them.


Nowhere in that investigation did I see that question brought up.


Oops, Ted beat me to that question.
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One other issue I noticed. He recommends a self inflating life vest. If he had been wearing one at the time of the incident he would have had to find his way out with a device that was potentially buoying him away from an exit that may have been below him. I, in fact did buy one of these vests last spring but I specifically bought a manual vest for just this very reason.
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Article too verbose. I tuned out after the first two paragraphs. A terribly written article as it didn't hold my interest at all.
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That is an excellent read, but I do have a question. In the photo of the boat there is a radar at the top of the mast. Why was this not on? It would have shown the freighter coming up behind them.


Nowhere in that investigation did I see that question brought up.


Oops, Ted beat me to that question.
Perhaps a better question would be, why would you be running a boat from the lower helm that has such lousy rearward visibility (and I've run a number a 36' GBs over the years so I know how restricted it is) in a busy and relatively narrow channel when you could be at the upper helm with full visibility and the ability to hear what's going on around you.

Apparently nobody thought it might be useful to not only look at the radar from time to time but to look out the back window and down the sides of the boat from time to time as well.

A lesson to all. Especially those who only use or have a lower helm.
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This works fine for me, it has a wide angle view, it is made to attach to a vehicle's side mirror when towing a trailer. Good for spotting fast moving sportfishers coming up on you in curvy canals or anywhere else.
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A lesson to all. Especially those who only use or have a lower helm.
Bill, as you know, not all boats are created equal.

I'll post up some pics soon on the RPH Helm visibility tread, but suffice to say, many boats have fwd and rear visibility that equals a FB field of view.

It's all about sight lines from the helm....whichever you drive from.

If I drive from my FB helm, the side canvas prevents me from seeing aft or to port while seated. The ladder opening clears the area aft to stbd.

If I stand up, I can see better aft and to port, but to REALLY clear the way, I need to work around my FB helm bench seat. That can be a PITA with all the stuff I store in my "attic". What I need to do is remove the FB bench and replace it with 2 Capt's chairs and rearrange the rest of my FB.

I could use a mirror like Steve's mounted high enough to allow me to see 180 degrees across the stern while seated on the FB bench.

Until then, I'll continue to enjoy the drive....and the view...from below.
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Perhaps a better question would be, why would you be running a boat from the lower helm that has such lousy rearward visibility (and I've run a number a 36' GBs over the years so I know how restricted it is) in a busy and relatively narrow channel when you could be at the upper helm with full visibility and the ability to hear what's going on around you.
The reason most likely had to do with it being cold in November. All about comfort.

Have to wonder how many minutes it took for the freighter to catch up to them. They didn't look behind them for a long time!

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Bill, as you know, not all boats are created equal.

I'll post up some pics soon on the RPH Helm visibility tread, but suffice to say, many boats have fwd and rear visibility that equals a FB field of view.

It's all about sight lines from the helm....whichever you drive from.

If I drive from my FB helm, the side canvas prevents me from seeing aft or to port while seated. The ladder opening clears the area aft to stbd.

If I stand up, I can see better aft and to port, but to REALLY clear the way, I need to work around my FB helm bench seat. That can be a PITA with all the stuff I store in my "attic". What I need to do is remove the FB bench and replace it with 2 Capt's chairs and rearrange the rest of my FB.

I could use a mirror like Steve's mounted high enough to allow me to see 180 degrees across the stern while seated on the FB bench.

Until then, I'll continue to enjoy the drive....and the view...from below.
Obviously my comment doesn't pertain to all lower helms.

Just most of them.
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Mirrors? We don't need no mirrors with their limited views. Better to look through the raised pilothouse windows.

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The reason most likely had to do with it being cold in November. All about comfort.
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The reason most likely had to do with it being cold in November.
They really were ill prepared weren't they?
You think after the spotlight in their faces a few days earlier, they would be all eyes all the time.
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Better to look through the raised pilothouse windows.
Without a RPH, I think I'd opt for a rear facing camera that can be on display right up there with the radar.
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They really were ill prepared weren't they?
You think after the spotlight in their faces a few days earlier, they would be all eyes all the time.
They didn't seem to be using the radar then either. Maybe it wasn't working.
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I should have titled this thread, " A Case For Being Vigilant About What's Going On Behind You."
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This may not be a fair criticism, but they were driving a car. Eyes focused forward and assuming the driver behind wasn't going to run into them. The other points that became clear were that they had very limited experience in a narrow shipping channel and didn't understand that they were required to stay clear of larger vessels. If you're goings to cruise with the big boys, understand the rules and be aware of everything going on around you.

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I can't stand boats with zero vis aft. Even less after reading that.
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This may not be a fair criticism, but they were driving a car. Eyes focused forward and assuming the driver behind wasn't going to run into them. The other points that became clear were that they had very limited experience in a narrow shipping channel and didn't understand that they were required to stay clear of larger vessels. If you're goings to cruise with the big boys, understand the rules and be aware of everything going on around you.

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Well according to the article that should not have been the case. The owner talked liked he thought he had at least two very experienced people on board. At least one of which should have known to keep their head on a swivel with a clear unobstructed view in that kind of area.

I'm sure not wanting to be out in the cold, having been running 24/7 and it was the end of the trip were all factors that played into this.

But never mentioning the use of radar in the two situations meantioned in the article that you would thing they should be looking at it is strange. Maybe no one on board really knew how to use it.
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