Go Back   Trawler Forum > Trawler Forum > General Discussion
Click Here to Login

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 08-15-2014, 10:37 AM   #21
Guru
 
Capthead's Avatar
 
City: Long Beach, CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Heads Up
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 42 Classic
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 950
My GB42 was delivered from Ft. Lauderdale to Marine Del Rey and it had a five man crew. I can't imagine using less and my route was 5500 miles.
__________________
Advertisement

Capthead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 11:22 AM   #22
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Capthead View Post
My GB42 was delivered from Ft. Lauderdale to Marine Del Rey and it had a five man crew. I can't imagine using less and my route was 5500 miles.
I think the OP just totally missed the magnitude of the task. When we make that trip, we will actually have 5 licensed Captains, three 500 Ton, and two 200 Ton near coastal (my wife and me). One of those is also a licensed Chief Engineer. The distance of this is like crossing the Atlantic and returning. And while most of the way is pretty benign there are some exposed areas and long trips between ports. The Cancun to Key West shortcut certainly requires the right weather and can be challenging. Otherwise you add more time following the coast.

Plus your GB is capable of greater speeds. And he has a thousand miles beyond Marina Del Rey.
__________________

BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 12:35 PM   #23
Guru
 
Capthead's Avatar
 
City: Long Beach, CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Heads Up
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 42 Classic
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 950
I agree totally. I'm here on the left coast and even though that is a down hill run you will get big seas and winds. Especially around Point Conception where 16' seas and 65 kt winds are more common that flat seas. I've heard of multi hulls pitch polling there.

Waiting on weather windows on certain parts of this is essential. It won't be a 24/7 run. Not by any means.
Capthead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 12:45 PM   #24
Guru
 
ulysses's Avatar
 
City: Gulf Shores, Ala.
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Ulysses
Vessel Model: Romsdal 1963
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 876
It will be a somewhat shorter trip once they build the new canal in Nicaragua. Given the present conditions along the coast of Nicaragua I would think about the Windward Passage rather than Cancun to Key West.
ulysses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 01:32 PM   #25
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by ulysses View Post
It will be a somewhat shorter trip once they build the new canal in Nicaragua. Given the present conditions along the coast of Nicaragua I would think about the Windward Passage rather than Cancun to Key West.
A good alternative. We're thinking about picking up more of the Caribbean on the way. But a lot of miles and a long trip anyway you look at it. No way we would take the boat along that route if there wasn't lots we wanted to see on the way. Otherwise just load it on a ship in BC.

Don't think I'm going to wait for the Nicaragua short cut.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 01:33 PM   #26
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: Avalon, NJ
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 15,887
The way the ice is thinning....maybe I'll offer to bring it the northern route, skip the Panama canal and expenses....

It's only a couple thousand miles more I think but we could fill the freezer with red salmon along the way...

I've got lot's of Arctic experience....
psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 01:51 PM   #27
Guru
 
Capt.Bill11's Avatar
 
City: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 5,422
Quote:
Originally Posted by ulysses View Post
It will be a somewhat shorter trip once they build the new canal in Nicaragua. Given the present conditions along the coast of Nicaragua I would think about the Windward Passage rather than Cancun to Key West.
Last time I came up from Panama we went straight from Colon to Port Antonino in Jamaica then up though the Bahamas to Ft. Lauderdale.

That might be my first choice for a trip like this as well.

Unless the owners wanted to go up the coast of Central America to sight see.

Which brings up the issue of security. And I don't mean guns on board but the fact that a short handed vessel looks and is more venerable than one that is fully crewed.
Capt.Bill11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 02:14 PM   #28
Guru
 
ulysses's Avatar
 
City: Gulf Shores, Ala.
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Ulysses
Vessel Model: Romsdal 1963
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 876
It is not just security issues. It is a fairly inhospitable coast line. The people are alright and usually speak english but the government officials and changing seaboundaries present some challenges. I just came back from Karawala wanted to see it before anything changed with a new canal construction. Silted in harbors, few services, impossible provisioning, etc... Corn Islands are O.K. and once you get to Roatan and Belize you are in great shape, at any rate, I personally would take the Jamaica /Windward route.
ulysses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 02:47 PM   #29
Guru
 
Capt.Bill11's Avatar
 
City: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 5,422
Yeah that reminds me. If I was going up that route I'd want to have someone on board who speaks fluent Spanish with me.
Capt.Bill11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 04:35 PM   #30
Guru
 
roguewave's Avatar
 
City: Hill Country TX/S.Portland Maine
Country: Texas
Vessel Name: Southern Cross III
Vessel Model: 1988 Defever 41
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 610
This thread has actually turned into a very informative one
__________________
..."some gave all, KIA"...
roguewave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 06:37 PM   #31
Guru
 
ulysses's Avatar
 
City: Gulf Shores, Ala.
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Ulysses
Vessel Model: Romsdal 1963
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 876
O.K. here is another tid-bit the proposed Nic. canal as recently approved is 173 miles long without any locks. Sea Level to Sea Level all the way. Mostly through lake Nicaragua but I would assume that there are some major eco. concerns or maybe its to allow the Lion Fish a route back home.
ulysses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 09:26 PM   #32
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld View Post
The way the ice is thinning....maybe I'll offer to bring it the northern route, skip the Panama canal and expenses....

It's only a couple thousand miles more I think but we could fill the freezer with red salmon along the way...

I've got lot's of Arctic experience....
Wifey B: You're insane...it's freaking cold up there....hehe
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 09:32 PM   #33
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt.Bill11 View Post
Yeah that reminds me. If I was going up that route I'd want to have someone on board who speaks fluent Spanish with me.
Absolutely. And know a bit about the local culture and traditions. Be polite and considerate.

Also, know the rules and laws. Conform to all of them. Have paperwork times many.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 09:38 PM   #34
Guru
 
Capt.Bill11's Avatar
 
City: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 5,422
And a ships stamp. Some officials seem to have a fetish for them.
Capt.Bill11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 10:11 PM   #35
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt.Bill11 View Post
And a ships stamp. Some officials seem to have a fetish for them.
It's something I found in business in Central and South America. Very keen on formalities and official looking documents. They expected corporate seals to be used on all official documents.

Another issue is how the ownership of your boat is set up. Many of them do not grasp LLC's. They understand an individual owner and a Corporation but an LLC is a bit odd to them. And they might expect to see documents that show you're authorized to use the boat.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2014, 10:57 PM   #36
Guru
 
Capt.Bill11's Avatar
 
City: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 5,422
Yes I used to travel with just such a letter on board.
__________________

Capt.Bill11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012