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Old 10-18-2014, 11:11 AM   #1
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Canoe Cove 46 vs Tollycraft 44

Greetings all. My wife and I have been scouring the Atlantic coast from Nova Scotia to Florida to find our next boat. Home cruising ground will be Atlantic Canada thru New England with plans to do "the loop" in 2016.

To date our front runner is the Tolly 44 CPMY. It has a livable layout, a reputation of quality build, seakindly and "somewhat" economical on fuel. There are about a dozen listed on this coast and we have been on board several. Our plans are to select and view a few more and make an offer on the best of class .... very soon.

THEN I see a newly listed Canoe Cove 46 CPMY. Looks like it may very well fit the bill.

As both of these are West Coast boats and I am an East Coast boy I was wondering if any of you PNW folks could provide any comparison of the CC and Tolly particularly around seaworthiness, fuel economy and overall quality.

Cheers from Nova Scotia
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Old 10-18-2014, 11:25 AM   #2
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Greetings,
Welcome aboard and tie down the beer fridge you're going to get a blow PHOTOS: Gonzalo Blasts Bermuda With Damaging Wind, Pounding Surf
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Old 10-18-2014, 11:49 AM   #3
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Hatches are battened - working hard to have the beer fridge empty before Gonzalo hits!
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Mr. SG. Dear, oh dear...You miss my point. Make sure the beer fridge is FULL and tied down. If'n it's empty, what's the point of the tie-down?
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Old 10-18-2014, 12:15 PM   #5
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If the CC46 you are looking at is Lady North, the Tolly is a far better boat. Canoe Cove did build some good boats, the early hulls were licensed from Bertram. But their later stuff is all bad, ugly proportions, top-heavy, trying to push too much interior on too small a hull, overloaded.

Stick with looking at Tollys.....
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Old 10-18-2014, 12:53 PM   #6
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The Tolly 44 came with several different motor choices. The Cat 3208 is my choice from the original install list. The nicest one I've seen of recent had a Cummins repower. I've seen some very nice ones that come from the Portland area - boat house kept in fresh water for their entire lives.

I second Tad's thoughts when comparing the two.
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We looked at the Tolly a number of years ago, we ended up with the 44Viking version instead. But we really didn't want the lower helm the Tolly came with. You probably want it being from NS.

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The Ocean Alexander 44 is very similar to the Tolly...both Monk designs.
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Old 10-20-2014, 10:09 AM   #9
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Thanks All - Cummins Premium?

Good feedback - thanks.

The majority of Tolly 44's we have looked are CAT 3208 with the exception of a very nice Cummins 6BTA 330 repower done in 2008.

It is priced higher than most of her sisterships - any advice on the premium I should expect to pay for a vessel with the 08 Cummins?

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FWIW, Canoe Cove is Canadian so limits your commercial possibilities in the US. Probably doesn't matter to you, might on resale.

Agreed with the others that CC does not enjoy the same reputation level for quality or seaworthiness in the PNW as Tolly or OA. The Canadians seem to buy them though
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Closed on a Tolly

Bought a 1990 Tollycraft 44 in Lauderdale. Thanks all for the input!
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Bought a 1990 Tollycraft 44 in Lauderdale. Thanks all for the input!
congrats share some pics with the TF crew
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Soggy Dollar,
Congrats!
Your purchase was noted in the Tolly Forum
For Sale 1990 44 Tolly in Fort Lauderdale
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Does anyone have the current link to the Tollycraft forum?
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The Canoe Cove has V-drives and they live in a deep, tiny hole under the beds in the rear. They also have this weird "basement" under the main saloon. Gorgeous, heavy-weather fast hulls, but maintenance?
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CC v Tolly
Interesting comparison.
Neither has been built in quite a while. More Tolly builds, than Canoe Coves. Similar, but different. Brand loyalty among their owners.
But. They are very different boats.
I have had the good fortune to get aboard a lot of boats, in my capacity as CCGA and more recently only RVYC Safety Inspector. Many of each.
I like the layouts of each. I prefer the fit and finish of the Canoe Coves, and their reliance on diesel power. Then along comes a Tolly that surpasses he rest with classy fit and finish, proving they can do so.
I wouldn't choose a V drive, unless I found a CC that otherwise was the boat I wanted. Some say the V drive allows the engines to be located out back, "where they belong". Problem is the shaft angle is steep.
Few Canadian builders survived the slump of the early 90s. That is when Canoe Cove went under, after building a slew of 41, 42, 48 and 53s, plus some very fancy larger boats, including some in the 70s. Any that are newer, are a different Co. and I know nothing about them.
Tollys were built in Washington, so didn't fail when the Cdn $ slumped, but still went out of production.
Hard to do a head to head comparison, as they are quite different. There is nothing about either that should cause you to write them off.
Good luck in the hunt.
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The Tollycraft FORUM is located here:
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Tollycraft Boating Club Forums

Quite a few very knowledgeable 44 owners on the forum.

Keep in mind that a huge amount of historical topics and threads were wiped out from this forum a year or so ago. Very unfortunate for those of us who posted on it for over 10 years.
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Thank you, really like what I see online related to Tollycraft. I'll do most my boating along the east coast and loop. The draft for these boats does not seem to be to bad. Would like to learn more about adding marine a/c and possibly increasing holding tank capacity and fuel tank capacity. Most of the great Harbours have 100 gal holding and 500 gallons of fuel. Both are built it tanks so no real way to clean the fuel tank.

Planning for full time live aboard.

There is a 43 on yachtworld with John Deere 300s and then a 44 with Detroits. They are not high hp engines so thier hourly burn rate may not be to bad.

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The 44 and the 43 are MUCH different boats.
Completely different hull and decks.
The 44 replaced the 43 in about 1986 with a newer design hull and full width aft cabin.

There is a great "blog" to follow based on the 44.
C-Shel

People who have 44's with the 6.2 Detroit's LOVE the fuel economy but take great care to really look after routine maintenance on them.
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Yes, I think I've watched all his videos at least twice. C-shel has big cats and still was able to get decent fuel economy.

seems like you get so much boat for the money.

Looking at the details for C-Shell he does have a littler larger than standard holding and 3 marine A/Cs - I guess that answers my initial questions.

I also noticed the 43 has a little more weight to it than the 44. Not sure how accurate the details are from yachtworld.

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