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Old 03-15-2012, 03:36 PM   #1
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California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/mar/...due-boat-near/

I cant imagine how their families deal with this tragic accident.

Many speculations as to how it happened, anything from a whale to a rogue wave to a tug etc etc.

Friends of friends so please post with respect.

Perhaps something can be learned from this.

RIP friends.
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:50 PM   #2
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California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

It is a shame.

You wouldn't see me going out to the open sea in*such a*small, open boat.* It isn't much larger than*many dinghys.* Particularly without wearing a personal flotation device.


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Old 03-15-2012, 04:12 PM   #3
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

Always sad to hear these stories, especially for those of us who get so much enjoyment from being out on the water.*

My heart goes out to their families.

It appears that the skipper was experienced in doing these kinds of cruises, so I suspect that something unusual/unexpected happened that may or may not be accurately determined.*

There are always learnings to be derived from these incidents. whether from the understanding of what actually happened, or from conjecture...the latter, even if it has no actual relation to the event can promote discussion on what ifs and how to respond to them.

Thanks Per for posting this.
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:18 PM   #4
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

Per - That saddens me.* Heard it on morning news.* May they rest in peace.* Water of any location, at any time, and in any condition commands and deserves the utmost respect.* In their memory:*I hope the cause of this accident is understood and broadcast*as another learning to seafarers.* There are never too many lessons about dealing with treacherousness of the sea and water bourn devices.
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:58 PM   #5
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

So sorry to hear this, Per.* Please keep us posted if you learn more about this.* Hopefully, we'll all learn something that might make a difference.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:17 AM   #6
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

Mark,

All I could determine was that it was a 24ft boat. It was not stated anywhere I read that it was an open boat. Did I miss part of the story?

A 24ft Boston Whaler or a Sea Sport would be fully capable of the trip from Channel Islands Harbor to Santa Cruz Island. However, this trip does involve crossing the shipping lanes with their 30 knot container ships.
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Old 03-16-2012, 03:54 AM   #7
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

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... this trip does involve crossing the shipping lanes with their 30 knot container ships.
*There are only a handful of containerships that can make 30 knots and for the past few years they have been slowed way down by fuel prices.

It would be a very rare event to see a containership going much faster than about 20 knots in that area.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:33 AM   #8
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

When I lived in Santa Barbara we used to make trips out to the islands in a 17' open center console outboard, it's hard to believe but we always had pfd's on. That area does get some weird weather at times.. and it changes drastically. This just proves that planning can make all the difference in a really bad day ... or a great one. The cost of four lives vs four pfd's and a hand held waterproof vhf is hard to justify

I really feel for the families

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Old 03-16-2012, 11:21 AM   #9
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

yes it is very sad indeed, sometimes accidents do happen and there is just nothing to be done about it. however we can learn from this, there is no doubt i am going to have a second look at a lifevest possible with epribs.

there are speculations either a whale breached on the boat or they came between tug boat and tow. these guys were very experienced, one was ex navy seal and they had all fished these waters most their lives.
here are a few photos of the remainder of the boat

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Old 03-16-2012, 11:58 AM   #10
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

God help those families and friends. If these guys were experienced and able men, whatever happened must have been so sudden and overwhelming. I hope they're able to find some answers from the wreckage.
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:04 PM   #11
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California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

that is some crazy damage.* Something very bad happened to those guys.* my heart goes out to the loved ones they left behind.* Four fisherman on a 70' trawler were lost off the Washington coast this weekend as well.* All the coasties found was a debris field, an oil slick and an empty life boat.* *


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Old 03-16-2012, 12:33 PM   #12
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

Unusual look to the wrecked boat in the two pictures Per provided.*
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-********* Hull looks fairly in one piece and in shape with O/B still attached
-********* Scraps (that were somehow torn loose piled inside), matter of fact it looks entire deck and all the interior was cleared out all the way to inner hull fiberglass layer.* Were all those portions still with hull at recovery?
-********* Toe rail with port side railing still attached that was ripped completely off the hull (many fastener holes showing)... right from underneath the toe rail, which is sticking up on starboard side.*
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Explosion, doubtful... no flash/fire signs noticeable in picts.*
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Crushed between tug and its tend, doubtful because hull does not look compacted/crushed... although initial pressure between two large hulls could have popped off the deck and toe railing with bow rail attached... also loosed the entire deck and interior while flipping occupants out and the flipped hull still being able to regain basic shape while boat contents and occupants experienced severe tossing in turmoil water between boats and in their combined wakes.
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Unexpectedly drawn into the close-bow wave or close-wake to a large ship and water turmoil produced all the results??
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Wouldnt you think the hull would sink with O/B attached... maybe it did and was recovered... or...*
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Whale breaching???
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I look forward to hear the findings and again wish my best to souls of the departed and to their families and friends.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:19 PM   #13
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

The one thing we all need to get out of this sad event is the need to dilligently wear our PFDs when in small / open boats. For that matter, just get used to wearing an inflatable PFD whenever under way in any vessel. You never know when you might need to go out on deck, and maybe forget the PFD. It only hurts for a minute. I know us macho boys have trouble with that, but let's get over it!!!
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:33 PM   #14
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

Carey,
I agree wholeheartedly HOWEVER these guys were in 50-55 degree water which leave you with 1 - 2 hours awake and 2 - 4 hours alive, unless you have a really good PFD and or ability to contact CG, then you are still screwed (excuse my french).
Dont get just any PFD, get a really really good one that is comfortable to wear all the time and which works really well in the water. Perhaps one which include some type of electronic communication device.
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Old 03-16-2012, 02:20 PM   #15
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

A sad tragedy. My heart truly goes out to those left behind.

Whatever the cause, it obviously looked to be catastrophic and sudden in nature. They also seem to have been experienced in the location of operation.

I'm going to research my options in PFD's and safety equipment with more diligence as a result of seeing this.

Thanks for sharing Per.
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Old 03-16-2012, 03:26 PM   #16
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California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

You can't make ANY assumptions based on what I have seen.. other than expolosion/fire ruled out. An upside down boat towed any length of time in choppy seas will be all torn up...and it looks like it was drug up the ramp.

Having towed quite a few in my job as an assistance tower only an on scene observer or some kind of collision marks will give us a clue.* Yeah...if someone does a thorough materials analysis...we might get more info*but depending on the jurisdiction authority and their experience/effort in this case...we may never get any more.


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Old 03-16-2012, 03:35 PM   #17
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

Rarely does it seem the media have follow-up stories telling us the resolution/findings of events like these.* That's unfortunate.

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Old 03-16-2012, 04:10 PM   #18
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Rarely does it seem the media have follow-up stories telling us the resolution/findings of events like these.* That's unfortunate.

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*If you are really interested...and I'm not sure you can...but you could*write the USCG under the FOIA for any internal investigations that arise from the incident.* Or maybe just call the local Coasties and just ask if they had heard what happened...or where you could find another agency that may have more info.
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:53 PM   #19
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

In Canada we have access to Transportation Safety Board reports that are very complete, although it can take quite some time for them to be published. Perhaps there is something similar in the States?

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/marine/index.asp
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Old 03-16-2012, 05:51 PM   #20
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RE: California recreational (fishing boat) overturns - 4 (all onboard) drown.

we have TSB also in the US but i dont think they investigate boating accidents?
i know each and every aircraft accident is logged and available to the public.
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