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06-09-2017, 06:28 PM
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City: Edgewater, MD
Vessel Name: Catalina Jack
Vessel Model: Defever 44
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Originally Posted by psneeld
True...but before the issuance of some sort of card or license, what could an LEO do?Easy Peezy to see that.... why the hard sell that it will "educate people" when those of us in the business know better?
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I am a relatively new boater (3 years) and, with my wife, have taken the basic and advanced Power Squadron courses. Every boat that we encounter we assume is going to do something stupid. I give way even when I clearly have the right of way. Inconvenient but adds a level of safety, I think. We are a slow boat so giving way doesn't make much of a difference in "getting there".
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06-09-2017, 07:04 PM
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#42
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,046
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Originally Posted by catalinajack
I am a relatively new boater (3 years) and, with my wife, have taken the basic and advanced Power Squadron courses. Every boat that we encounter we assume is going to do something stupid. I give way even when I clearly have the right of way. Inconvenient but adds a level of safety, I think. We are a slow boat so giving way doesn't make much of a difference in "getting there".
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You have more formal education that I and I applaud that.
Be careful about giving way when you are the stand on vessel. You are correct in assuming that most you encounter on the water will be uninformed, but when you do encounter an informed captain, they will expect you as the stand on vessel to do exactly that, stand on.
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06-09-2017, 07:07 PM
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#43
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Guru
City: Palm Coast, FL
Vessel Name: Coquina
Vessel Model: Lagoon 380
Join Date: Jan 2017
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I just received my Canadian boater cards. It seems I read the rules for boating and it said ALL operators need the card when in fact only if you stay over 45 days. Oh well not a complete waste of time. I now know more about hypothermia and this weird fixation that canadians have with buckets. [emoji16]
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06-09-2017, 07:34 PM
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#44
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Guru
City: Between Oregon and Alaska
Vessel Name: Charlie Harper
Vessel Model: Wheeler Shipyard 83'
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,021
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US residents with a state issued boaters card are excepted as proof of competency for Canada. Also any professional maritime license.
Boaters cards are only required for boaters staying more than 45 days.
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06-09-2017, 08:33 PM
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#45
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,119
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Yes...but always goving way when you shouldnt isnt the best answer either...
Gaining experience shows you the difference.
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06-09-2017, 10:44 PM
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#46
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Senior Member
City: Oceanside
Vessel Name: Cheers
Vessel Model: Bayliner 32
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 107
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I took the Boat/US online course a few weeks ago. There was no charge for the course but the Division of Boating and Waterways will be charging a (small?) fee for the card. Cards will be available this fall according to their web site.
Being an optimistic sort of person I'm hopeful this new requirement will have positive effects. I don't have any illusions that it will solve all of the problems we've all encountered out there.
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Oceanside
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06-10-2017, 04:45 AM
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#47
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Senior Member
City: Jacksonville, FL
Vessel Name: Amar la Vida
Vessel Model: 1989 Carver Californian 48' MY
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 338
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Another reason not to live in California, Another tax that will do absolutely nothing but take money out of peoples pockets.
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06-10-2017, 05:47 AM
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#48
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,119
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Something like only 4 states don't require some form of certification.
California is late to the game and not as strict ad many.
For usually way less than $50, taking a one time course pales in comparison in that most Americans waste way more money on idiotic things...
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06-10-2017, 06:44 AM
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#49
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Guru
City: Southern Maine
Vessel Model: Prairie 36 Coastal Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,714
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Quote:
Originally Posted by catalinajack
I give way even when I clearly have the right of way. Inconvenient but adds a level of safety, I think.
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I'd like to have a chat with the instructor who led you to believe that you ever have "right of way."
Actually, you are OBLIGATED under the rules to stand on (maintain course and speed) in certain situations. Failing to do so creates confusion which could lead to bigger problems.
To be fair, failing to act in time to avoid a collision, regardless of who is stand-on or give-way, is also a violation of the rules. So you're not 100% wrong there.
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06-10-2017, 07:20 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
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Join Date: Oct 2011
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This is not directed at any poster...just open ended thoughts on the subject...
I often think that the time line between avoiding other vessels by taking "early action" and not standing on or giving way is not correctly stated in posts...as they are often just quips and not complete thoughts on the matter.
Because of the bazillion possibilities, there is no black and white...so its difficult to discuss nav rules in generalities.
Obviously in order to comply with the rules, a super tanker captain has to make decisions way in advance, where a jet skier can wait until the last second.
So avoiding other vessels can be pretty willy nilly at times, only experience and sea sense really determines whether actions are right or wrong.
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06-10-2017, 10:50 AM
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#51
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,046
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
This is not directed at any poster...just open ended thoughts on the subject...
I often think that the time line between avoiding other vessels by taking "early action" and not standing on or giving way is not correctly stated in posts...as they are often just quips and not complete thoughts on the matter.
Because of the bazillion possibilities, there is no black and white...so its difficult to discuss nav rules in generalities.
Obviously in order to comply with the rules, a super tanker captain has to make decisions way in advance, where a jet skier can wait until the last second.
So avoiding other vessels can be pretty willy nilly at times, only experience and sea sense really determines whether actions are right or wrong.
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Excellent point!
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06-10-2017, 02:51 PM
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#52
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by knotheadcharters
Another reason not to live in California, Another tax that will do absolutely nothing but take money out of peoples pockets.
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And if you believe in signs, everything in California causes cancer.
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06-10-2017, 03:33 PM
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City: Boston Area
Join Date: Feb 2017
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We have a pretty comprehensive system for automobile licensing and there are still lots of people on the road that drive like its their first time behind the wheel....so if something as thorough as the auto licensing process doesn't weed out the crazy people....a Power Squadron course or online test isn't going to either.
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06-10-2017, 04:28 PM
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#54
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Guru
City: Vermont
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,076
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benthic2
We have a pretty comprehensive system for automobile licensing and there are still lots of people on the road that drive like its their first time behind the wheel....so if something as thorough as the auto licensing process doesn't weed out the crazy people....a Power Squadron course or online test isn't going to either.
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So it's better that boaters remain ignorant of navigation rules, safe practices, and operating techniques?
None of this is perfect, but don't boater cards move things in the right direction?
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06-10-2017, 05:26 PM
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City: Boston Area
Join Date: Feb 2017
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I don't think they will move things at all....nothing will change except limited resources being diverted from somewhere else.....some one has to run the program....and monitor the training....and maintain a database....... they'll be a new committee in the state government to monitor the program.... the person running the program will get a new office and a state car, and two admin assistants....and then fly to some other state for training.....
The spending on this will far far outweigh the benefits, and the money has to come from somewhere.....probably from somewhere boating related....so now fees at state marinas will go up.....boat ramp fees will go up....maybe they'll reduce the hours at the pump out stations..... boat registration costs will increase.... hmmm....we'll need to form a committee to see how big a committee will be needed to administer this program...
OK..so I was able to hold off on an anti-government rant for 53 posts.....I finally succumbed.
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06-10-2017, 05:39 PM
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#56
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
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So many...so wrong.
In NJ, the process is almost 20 years old.
It hasn't changed much in that time.
The State gets like $15 to process the card. USCGAUX, Power Squadrons, and private companies tack on 30 to 50 dollars to teach the course and submit the paperwork to the NJ State Police.
That is the whole shooting match of costs.
So all this talk of new tax and costs is just what it is....yes the State usually breaks even for a minimal cost and some small companies earn a meager income teaching it....but some money grab?
Gimme a break....compared to Lotto tickets....chump change.
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06-10-2017, 07:42 PM
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#57
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Senior Member
City: Oceanside
Vessel Name: Cheers
Vessel Model: Bayliner 32
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 107
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In California the Division of Boating and Waterways will issue the cards. DBW is fully funded by the tax on marine fuel and takes no money from the state's general fund. The collected funds are used for marine purposes, either through grants or loans. Typically the money is used for things like building, refurbishing and upgrading marina facilities. Other DBW-funded activities include boater education and invasive species control.
DBW is probably the only part of the California state government that works properly.
My $0.02 worth.
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M/V Cheers
Oceanside
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06-10-2017, 07:46 PM
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#58
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Senior Member
City: Seattle
Vessel Name: Mary A
Vessel Model: Chris-Craft Speedster
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 110
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Three things that were informative to me when starting more serious boating a few years ago:
1. WA boaters card, Boat US online class. Might have been ~20 hours time in total. I would not have done it if not a requirement, but glad i did.
2. Riding in the wheelhouse as a passenger in a 100 ft tug (w barge in tow) from Seattle to Juneau. This gave me an entirely new mindset about navigation and how to conduct self in a seamen like fashion.
3. Reading about various nav / boat handling experiences here on TF.
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06-10-2017, 09:58 PM
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#59
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TF Site Team
City: Saltspring Island
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,656
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In 2000 the YC I belong to put on a course to encourage members to get their Pleasure Craft Operator's Card. I was allowed to challenge the exam, so no fee was payable. My card is good for the rest of my life.
In Canada, everyone has to have one, to legally operate a Pleasure Craft with an engine. That includes renters, who qualify by satisfying the owner of the rental boat of their competence, so they get a "temporary" pass. It also includes foreigners, who qualify by either having their own equivalent to the PCOC, take and pass our test and get our card, or are operating their own boat and stay less than 45 days.
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06-10-2017, 10:23 PM
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#60
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,046
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
So all this talk of new tax and costs is just what it is....yes the State usually breaks even for a minimal cost and some small companies earn a meager income teaching it....but some money grab?
Gimme a break....compared to Lotto tickets....chump change.
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Don't rain on folks anti-government rants. No one wants actual facts and information. Knee-jerk reactions are just so much more fun.
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