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Old 05-25-2019, 09:04 AM   #1
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Question Buying delimma?

So weíve decided to buy. Both boats are equally a good deal.

1996 Mainship 37 M/Y with twin 454ís.

1978 Bertram M/Y (I believe itís 42 or 47í) with twin Detroitís.

Both are priced WAY under value, 50% under book value or more. Both mechanically sound and well cared for.

The obvious ownside to the Mainship is the gas engines. But on the flip side, the Bertram has MANY more systems to maintain and are more expensive to replace.

Both are laid out well and have been updated, the Bertram even has a dishwasher. And although the Bertram has a longer range, do I really need that if we arenít doing major cruising for a least another decade?

Can you help me list some pros and cons of each? Keep in mind weíve leased and lived aboard the Mainship since August so I know that boat inside and out.
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Old 05-25-2019, 11:00 AM   #2
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Gas engines are quieter and stink less, 454 parts are cheaper and even more available as are mechanics. 1996 is 18 years newer than 1978, this translates to things like gelcoat, shafts bearings, seals and so on.

Those are the advantages. The disadvantages are fuel economy and resale value.
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Mr. t. IF you're not going to be cruising much there really isn't any downside with gassers IF YOU'RE CAREFUL. No need to be insane about safety, just diligent.


Bertram will have more room but cost more to dock. The learning curve for a "new" boat will be pretty much what you went through with the Mainship IMO. Exactly the same, only different.
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Which Detroit engines? What model and what hp.
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Old 05-25-2019, 12:20 PM   #5
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Which Detroit engines? What model and what hp.
The extent of my diesel knowledge tells me that they are big ones. Thatís about as much as I can tell you.
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Old 05-25-2019, 12:52 PM   #6
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Here are 3 arguments against the Bertram

1. age ( as tiltrider mentions above )
2. more unknowns. Your familiarity with the Mainship means there won't be any little ( or big ) surprises
3. All your stuff is already in place.
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Old 05-25-2019, 01:14 PM   #7
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I really appreciate the feedback. We’ve been leaning towards the Mainship because I know the history (only two owners) and we’ve already gotten settled in it.

The whole gas vs diesel argument just sticks in my head, so I appreciate the honesty and not being flamed (no pun intended) for considering the gas engines.
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Cost of ownership should be much less with the newer and smaller Mainship, the exception possibly being insurance (gas). A couple of quotes would clear that up. On the Bertram, you can expect to be at service life on everything.

What is the exit strategy for each boat? Is the entry point such that you can get out easily should your situation change?
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Call me chicken but, big gasoline powered boats hold no interest for me. They go boom faster than a diesel powered boat.
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A 42' MY would be maybe 1/2 again bigger than the 37' Mainship? And a 47' would be half again bigger? So some of the potentially higher cost of ownership is about size and systems, not just age and diesels...

Anyway, pros and cons aside... which do you LIKE more?

Or if you like 'em both about the same, maybe there's more shopping to do...

DO learn what DDs they are in the Bertram; I dunno much about 'em, but somebody here is bound to be able to offers some factoids and opinions...

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Call me chicken but, big gasoline powered boats hold no interest for me. They go boom faster than a diesel powered boat.
Aaaanndddd thereís the response I knew would show up eventually.
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Cost of ownership should be much less with the newer and smaller Mainship, the exception possibly being insurance (gas). A couple of quotes would clear that up. On the Bertram, you can expect to be at service life on everything.

What is the exit strategy for each boat? Is the entry point such that you can get out easily should your situation change?
Full coverage on the Mainship is$1300 a year.
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Coys: Chris (Ranger 42) made a good statement. Which one do you like more??

I like the idea of the 23 year old boat much more than the 41 year old boat. I'd rather buy the newer one if it were me.
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A poorly maintained gas boat in the hands of an ignorant boat operator is truly more dangerous than a poorly maintained diesel boat in the hands of an ignorant operator. I am not sure if oldDan1943 is telling us he maintains his boat poorly, is an ignorant operator or both.
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Iím not pro either but I recall one of your very first posts was about the cost of the fuel in your previous boat- has that evolved? I have twin gassers and look at what new diesels have posted on YW everyday...
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There are pro's and cons but I'm with old Dan on this one.
In my experience the older boats are built more solid and although a bit dearer to run I'd accept that and the Bertram would be my choice for a liveaboard.
Gas engines will only run on gas but diesels are more accommodating with other fuels but that another whole new ball game unless you are technically minded.
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A poorly maintained gas boat in the hands of an ignorant boat operator is truly more dangerous than a poorly maintained diesel boat in the hands of an ignorant operator. I am not sure if oldDan1943 is telling us he maintains his boat poorly, is an ignorant operator or both.
Perhaps it can be resolved in 2 words, I smoke.

Of course, there was the example years ago, a man in this marina bought a brand new gasoline powered boat. First day trip with his young son, the boat caught fire, made the evening news, burned to the water line. It was the result of a leak in the fuel line, (gas). He bought a replacement boat, gasoline powered and changed marina. His son was more than a bit skittish about being on the boat.

It is just my personal preference to have a diesel powered boat.
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Iím not pro either but I recall one of your very first posts was about the cost of the fuel in your previous boat- has that evolved? I have twin gassers and look at what new diesels have posted on YW everyday...
Fuel prices are running about $3.50/g for gas, and slightly less for diesel I think but itís not significant.

For the price that Iíd be getting the Mainship, I could run the 454ís until they die, and still be well within resale value even if I repowere with yanmar turbos or something.
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So weíve decided to buy. Both boats are equally a good deal.

1996 Mainship 37 M/Y with twin 454ís.

1978 Bertram M/Y (I believe itís 42 or 47í) with twin Detroitís.

Both are priced WAY under value, 50% under book value or more. Both mechanically sound and well cared for.
No, they are not priced under value. Their pricing is what someone considers their value. Book values mean nothing. Value is the price between a willing seller and buyer.
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No, they are not priced under value. Their pricing is what someone considers their value. Book values mean nothing. Value is the price between a willing seller and buyer.
Ok well then let me rephrase... based on current used prices on the same models, Iíd be getting a 50% discount or better. Especially on the Mainship. Our friend is just ready to sell it and she really wants us to have it.
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