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Old 02-26-2012, 09:00 PM   #21
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I like it !!* It would be*a good idea to develope one. *I*would for sure buy*and proudly display it.* It's a hell of a lot better than the*burgee the Port gave me!! (Thanking me for the 35 years of paying them $400+ bucks a month moorage.)

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Old 02-26-2012, 09:18 PM   #22
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Now can we talk about the protocol to be followed when* flying our new burgee?* :hungry: :boo:
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:27 PM   #23
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Now can we talk about the protocol to be followed when* flying our new burgee?*
It's simple Al:

"Members belonging to a yacht club or sailing organization may fly their club's unique burgee both while underway and at anchor (however, not while racing)."

Just be sure and take it down before you start the race!!*

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Old 02-26-2012, 09:47 PM   #24
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I believe the yacht club burgee will have provenance and fly from the masthead. The TF burgee may then fly from the bow staff, or any other staff on the centreline. The flag halyards are for flags, so no burgee is to be flown there.


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Old 02-26-2012, 10:49 PM   #25
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KJ - Aren't ya glad you just tried to be a nice guy !!!!
*Well, ever since I "stumbled" onto this forum I have been continuously impressed by the knowledge base of*it's Members. I have had a virtual plethora of questions about everything pertaining to boating, particularly about the "trawler" design. For a lot of folks making the "jump" to a trawler can be an overwhelming prospect. If not for an increase in*size, just the overall*leap in responsibility. It's like real serious boating.* Fortunately the good folks here are more than willing to "share" what they know. With the info*I got here on the forum, and my own homework, I felt confident enough to finally buy my own boat this year.

I just thought it would be nice to give something back in gratitude to*the*generous folks here.* Also, I thought it would be fun to see*what other designs folks could come up with and*post. Besides, it's fun making your own (try it).

And regardless of how some others may feel, I wouldn't mind sitting down*for a brewski*with most of*the folks here.

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Old 02-26-2012, 11:15 PM   #26
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I believe the yacht club burgee will have provenance and fly from the masthead. The TF burgee may then fly from the bow staff, or any other staff on the centreline. The flag halyards are for flags, so no burgee is to be flown there.
*Now you've done it!*... The club burgee is normally flown from the bow staff on powerboats.* Not belonging to a club, I usually fly the builder's burgee.* The primary function of this flag position is to indicate wind direction.* Miscellaneous flags are flown from the spreaders.* My boat as well as most sailboats have radio and/or lightning rods, etcetera*on the top of the mast preventing use of mashead flags. I'd fly a TrawlersForum flag from either left or right spreader.* Typically, I've seen sailboats fly their clubs' burgees from the starboard spreader.


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Old 02-26-2012, 11:27 PM   #27
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I believe the yacht club burgee will have provenance and fly from the masthead. The TF burgee may then fly from the bow staff, or any other staff on the centreline. The flag halyards are for flags, so no burgee is to be flown there.
*Now you've done it!*... The club burgee is normally flown from the bow staff on powerboats.* Not belonging to a club, I usually fly the builder's burgee.* The primary function of this flag position is to indicate wind direction.* Miscellaneous flags are flown from the spreaders.* My boat as well as most sailboats have radio and/or lightning rods, etcetera*on the top of the mast preventing use of mashead flags. I'd fly a TrawlersForum flag from either left or right spreader.* Typically, I've seen sailboats fly their clubs's burgees from the starboard spreader.



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Now, Now. . . Remember the rules.

"Sailing vessels may fly the burgee from the main masthead or from a lanyard under the starboard spreader on the mast. *Power boats fly the burgee off a short staff on the bow."

But I think the boys from Oz got it right!!*

"The Gin Pennant is still in regular use by Commonwealth Navies, such as the Royal Australian Navy (RAN). Within the RAN it is common practice, whilst in port, for junior officers of one ship to attempt to raise the Gin Pennant on the halyard of another ship, thereby forcing that ship to put on free drinks for the officers of the ship that managed to raise the pennant. If, however the junior officers are caught raising the pennant, then it is their ship that must put on free drinks within their Wardroom. Usually this practice is restricted to Commonwealth Navies; however, prior to increased force protection, RAN officers have successfully raised the Gin Pennant on a number of units in the USN."
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Here flying my nation's flag at the stern, the builder's burgee on the bow staff, and CruisersForum burgee from the port spreader.
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Is that an oil refinery behind your boat and if it is can you buy direct from the manufacturer and save?
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Is that an oil refinery behind your boat and if it is can you buy direct from the manufacturer and save?
*Yes it is.* No you can't.* On the opposite (southern)*shore there is Contra Costa County with the highest number of petroleum refineries in the state of California.* *Nevertheless, the price of gasoline is the highest in the lower 48.* Bugs me that the Shell station immediately*adjacent to the Shell refinery in Martinez has high, market prices.
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I think that's the norm. The highest fuel prices in Washington tend to be in Whatcom County, where Bellingham is along with two of the state's four refineries. Gas is cheaper on the other side of the mountains out in the wheat fields than it is down the road from the refineries. I'm sure the oil companies have a "reason" why this is so but I don't know what it is.

Perhaps it's the same reason that when I lived there, C&H sugar was more expensive in Hawaii than on the mainland. The official rationale was that even though C&H had a small refinery on Oahu that theoretically produced enough refined sugar for local use, it didn't. So the cost of sugar in Hawaii included the cost of shipping it to the Oakland refinery, refining it, and then shipping it back. And since it was too much of a hassle to package and price the sugar from the local refinery differently than the sugar from Oakland, and to make it 'fair" to all the stores that carried C&H sugar (which was all of them), they simply charged the Oakland price no matter where the sugar came from.

So maybe that's what they're doing with the fuel that comes from the refineries that are down the street from you.


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Old 02-27-2012, 04:37 AM   #32
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I'm sure the oil companies have a "reason" why this is so but I don't know what it is.

Check "city" vs "county" TAX rates.
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KJ, how about we change out the ships wheel for an oil derrick. *After all, that is the industry we support.
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KJ, how about we change out the ships wheel for an oil derrick. *After all, that is the industry we support.
*I'll have to pass on that. I'm ok with the way it is. Perhaps someone else can take a shot a doing it.** KJ
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Do oil company's have a Burgee?

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Good one!* LOL.

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There is a difference between burgees and flags. Flags are flown from the transom or the flag halyards on the spreaders, or from the top of the gaff, if fitted. Burgees are flown from the masthead, if fitted, or the bow staff.
The reason most power boats fly their YC burgee from the bow staff is they don't have a mast. To follow proper protocol, you should get a mast fitted, if you belong to a YC, just so you can fly the burgee in the proper place. That leaves the bow staff for any other burgee you might carry.
Many boats fly a manufacturers club ie GB, burgee at the bow, and their YC at the masthead. My boat flies the YC burgee at the masthead, and my CCGA burgee at the bow. I don't have another burgee spot, so I hope KJ will consider making a flag of his TF burgee, so I can fly it from the Port spreader. Starboard, is reserved for my courtesy flags, US, should I go to th eSan Juans, and French, should my son-law come along.
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There is a difference between burgees and flags. Flags are flown from the transom or the flag halyards on the spreaders, or from the top of the gaff, if fitted. Burgees are flown from the masthead, if fitted, or the bow staff.
The reason most power boats fly their YC burgee from the bow staff is they don't have a mast. To follow proper protocol, you should get a mast fitted, if you belong to a YC, just so you can fly the burgee in the proper place. That leaves the bow staff for any other burgee you might carry.
Many boats fly a manufacturers club ie GB, burgee at the bow, and their YC at the masthead. My boat flies the YC burgee at the masthead, and my CCGA burgee at the bow. I don't have another burgee spot, so I hope KJ will consider making a flag of his TF burgee, so I can fly it from the Port spreader. Starboard, is reserved for my courtesy flags, US, should I go to th eSan Juans, and French, should my son-law come along.
*I seem to remember that the YC flag or Power Squadron flag is flown from the starboard spreader. *A private signal, owner present/absent flag, quarantine or country courtsey flag flown from the port spreader. *American flag flowin at the stern or off the gaff. *Commisioning pennant or other burgee/pennant can be flown from the bow or jack staff. *Anyway, that is how I have been doing it for many years. *Could be wrong, I guess.
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KJ, how about we change out the ships wheel for an oil derrick. *After all, that is the industry we support.
*I'll have to pass on that. I'm ok with the way it is. Perhaps someone else can take a shot a doing it.** KJ

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KJ, I absolutely love the Burgee and I'd fly it proudly. *For those of us with additional frustrations to express, there's always the infamous Trawler Coat of Arms.

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My recollection is that burgees are flown where you wouldn't fly a flag. That is why I would ask KJ to design a rectangular flag that can be flown at the spreaders.
You are correct in the position of the National Flag, which should also be the largest flag aboard, usually 1" per foot of boat length. I fly one that is 48" long, as that is the closest size big enough for my 44 ft boat. That flag should never be too small. I could fly my Cdn flag from the gaff, but when "in port" the gaff is often furled, so then it should be transferred to a staff at the transom.

If your Yacht club issues a flag, fly it from the spreader. Most issue burgees, which should be flown from the truck of the main mast, or if the truck is crowded with antennae, on a pig stick, above the truck. From the Starboard spreader is an acceptable alternative, but only if there is no way to fly it from the masthead.

Of relevance (finally) to this discussion, from the USPS site, re an "Association"

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Flag's of associations, e.g., a cruising club or a USPS district, are generally rectangular and may be worn on a spreader halyard. Many flags or signals are flown from the spreader halyards butusuallyonly one should be worn on each halyard. If your boat is rigged with one starboard halyard and one port halyard, fly the signal of superior dignity on the starboard side and the signal of lesser dignity on the port side. If you have more than one halyard on each side of your boat, fly the superior signal form the outboard starboard halyard, with other signals to its left, in order of decreasing dignity. They may be balanced, insofar as possible, starboard and port.
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