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07-24-2015, 07:58 PM
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Guru
City: Cape Cod
Vessel Name: Slip Aweigh
Vessel Model: Prairie 29
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,219
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It only 'counts' when you're caught after an incident.
If someone 'volunteers' then it's OK. BUT the OP said he was going to 'ask'... big difference.
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07-24-2015, 08:01 PM
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#22
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Guru
City: Cape Cod
Vessel Name: Slip Aweigh
Vessel Model: Prairie 29
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,219
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Quote:
Originally Posted by janice142
Once you buy a boat, especially a larger one, and suddenly you're Richie Rich. You're perceived as wealthy and the offers for fuel stop -- just when you could use them the most!
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Haha. That's funny. Too bad it's true! :-)
Quote:
Originally Posted by janice142
At least that's what I've seen. YOU cannot/should not pass the hat. Let a buddy do it for you.
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Let a buddy do it for you. That's the easy answer. Or have the discussion that if the guests want to volunteer something, then that's OK with you. But it has to be stated that it's not a condition of boarding. (or however you want to word it)
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07-24-2015, 08:03 PM
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#23
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Guru
City: Cape Cod
Vessel Name: Slip Aweigh
Vessel Model: Prairie 29
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,219
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When my brother and I had a sailboat, he was donating afternoon sails for a church raffle. This was definitely a cash for passage deal Illegal as heck. He checked with his insurance and they confirmed that the coverage was null and void during these events. Done.
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07-24-2015, 08:52 PM
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#24
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Guru
City: Longboat Key, FL
Vessel Name: Bucky
Vessel Model: Krogen Manatee 36 North Sea
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,196
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Quote:
Originally Posted by janice142
YOU cannot/should not pass the hat. Let a buddy do it for you.
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Hey, that's a great idea, Janice. Then later, when no one is looking, slip the guy a fin for the trouble and everybody's happy..!!
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"When life gets hard, eat marshmallows”.
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07-24-2015, 10:28 PM
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#25
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Senior Member
City: Norfolk, VA
Vessel Model: Bayliner 3870
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 308
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Oh no, no, no. . .not anything like a charter. . .surcharge should have been in quotes.
I was thinking more like a barbeque, not quests staying at a house. . .
"Going to the Eastern Shore Saturday"
"Do we need to bring anything?"
"I got the burgers and brats. You can bring a side, chips, beer, or whatever. . .and if you want to chip in a couple bucks for gas, I won't say no . Oh, and bring your fishing pole if you want"
This is definitely something I need to keep in mind when boat shopping. A big reason I want to move into something with more room is for occasional entertaining. And I like taking people out. . .I have a laundry list of people who want to go sailing! If asking for money is frowned upon, its something I need to consider in my personal gas vs diesel debate.
Thanks for your insight!
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07-24-2015, 11:12 PM
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#26
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Guru
City: Stuart FL
Vessel Name: Lucky Lucky
Vessel Model: Pacific Mariner 65
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,760
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We take guests because we want/enjoy their company. We won't accept any cash whatsoever. If they bring some booze or food that's great and they usually do. If you want cash, why take them?
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Lucky Lucky
Stuart, FL
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07-24-2015, 11:24 PM
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#27
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Senior Member
City: Vancouver BC
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 302
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cool beans
Ok, let me rephrase that, since I can ask them whatever. . .is it rude, or is there any etiquette involved?
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You can also have an alacarte type menu you can hand out to your guests/passengers, for example:
being nice to you - $5
laughing at your jokes - $30
agreeing with what you say - $40
... you get the idea
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07-24-2015, 11:27 PM
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#28
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Psneeld covered the legality well.
As to otherwise, I would find it quite tacky for one to ask for fuel. If I am home and ask a friend if they want to go to lunch by car, I don't ask them for fuel. Now considerate guests find a way to show their gratitude and help. They ask if they can bring some dessert or they pick up the check at dinner. But it should all be freely done not as a matter of obligation or keeping score.
As others have said, fishermen going on a multiple day outing do tend to traditionally treat it differently, but all voluntary.
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07-24-2015, 11:47 PM
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#29
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Senior Member
City: Seattle, WA
Vessel Name: Akeeva
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 50
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 449
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I try not to let guests know how much the boat costs!
I never take money for day trips. I'll tell people what food/booze I have on the boat, that they're welcome to it, and if they want something else they can bring it with them. Almost everyone brings a bottle of wine or some beer or whatever.
For longer trips, we go grocery shopping together before departure. Some guests offer to pay for the bill, others offer to split it. Nobody (yet) has had me pay the whole thing. If offered, I'll split the grocery bill with others.
The only time I took money for fuel was when I had my dad, stepmom, and kids out for 10 days in Alaska. Dad swiped his card at the fuel dock before I could, and I didn't complain!
I'm 25 and the only one of my peers with a boat. I'm happy to have guests onboard and don't want them to feel it's a burden. But I don't want to pay for all their meals and drinks, either.
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07-25-2015, 12:18 AM
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#30
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TF Site Team/Forum Founder
City: League City, Tx
Vessel Name: Floatsome & Jetsome
Vessel Model: Meridian 411
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 7,332
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The entire reason for me having a boat is to have a place where my friends and family can gather. It is an honor to have them aboard!!! The vast majority of them offer to bring something...beer, ice, food, etc. and a few will offer to pay for fuel. I do have a close friend who will occasionally beat me to the fuel pump cashier. But that is just the kind of guy he is.
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07-25-2015, 12:32 AM
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#31
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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We place a really nice looking piggy bank on board. It says: Any Donations Appreciated... for cruises over 5 hrs with food and drink supplied. We've gotten rich!
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07-25-2015, 01:12 AM
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#32
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TF Site Team
City: California Delta
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: 1977 Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 13,728
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That's it. I'm making a new sign!
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07-25-2015, 01:14 AM
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#33
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Being the guest of Vern, enjoying his St. Jorge wine and tri-tip lunch, prior to examining his Stephens boat and Stephens dinghy:
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07-25-2015, 01:15 AM
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Guru
City: Hotel, CA
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,323
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Let us know Meg's reaction to the new sign on her boat Al
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It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
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07-25-2015, 05:14 AM
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#35
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Chicago, IL
Vessel Name: Bay Pelican
Vessel Model: Krogen 42
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,993
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cappy208
Two answers. The friendly one: Sure. It helps defray the cost.
The legal answer: (In the U.S. At least).
Exchanging anything for a ride (fuel, food, money, dockage fees, expenses) makes the 'fee for hire'.
Are you licensed? Is your vessel up to passenger carrying safety levels? Does your insurance cover this?
Very boring, mundane stuff. But, 'if' something happened, you are treated in court in a whole different way as if you just 'brought someone along'.
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Agree with above comments, be very careful with your insurance coverage as it would be a game changer to find out you voided your coverage after an accident.
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07-25-2015, 06:00 AM
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#36
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Guru
City: Sarasota,FL/Thomasville,GA
Vessel Name: Steppin Stone IV
Vessel Model: Marine Trader Kelly Trawler 46
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,815
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
Being the guest of Vern, enjoying his St. Jorge wine and tri-tip lunch, prior to examining his Stephens boat and Stephens dinghy:
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Mark
did anyone eventually join you at the table ??
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07-25-2015, 07:25 AM
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#37
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Guru
City: Longboat Key, FL
Vessel Name: Bucky
Vessel Model: Krogen Manatee 36 North Sea
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,196
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWright
That's it. I'm making a new sign!
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Be careful, Al. We don't want to turn this into another buttock line thread.
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Larry
"When life gets hard, eat marshmallows”.
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07-25-2015, 07:51 AM
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#38
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Guru
City: Sarasota,FL/Thomasville,GA
Vessel Name: Steppin Stone IV
Vessel Model: Marine Trader Kelly Trawler 46
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,815
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Fishing yes
Cruising no
Many times we have had people come with us and cook bring or prepare the meals and drinks
On the 4th of July we always go out and watch the offshore powerboat races this year instead of in our boat a friend offered to take his out instead of ours
So I offered to get the food for the day
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07-25-2015, 08:25 AM
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#39
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Guru
City: Seabrook, Texas
Vessel Name: Small World
Vessel Model: Defever 50
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 611
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Baker
The entire reason for me having a boat is to have a place where my friends and family can gather. It is an honor to have them aboard!!! The vast majority of them offer to bring something...beer, ice, food, etc. and a few will offer to pay for fuel. I do have a close friend who will occasionally beat me to the fuel pump cashier. But that is just the kind of guy he is. Y'all come to Texas...some people view spending money as a sport.
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Exactly!!
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07-25-2015, 08:43 AM
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#40
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Guru
City: Cape Cod
Vessel Name: Slip Aweigh
Vessel Model: Prairie 29
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,219
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWright
That's it. I'm making a new sign!
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Where'd you get the picture of my deckhand???
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