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Old 05-14-2016, 07:43 PM   #1
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Bow rails?

As we inch closer to committing ourselves to the American Tug 395, we keep finding options that we are struggling to decide on.
One is the availability of a bow rail that goes back as far as the cockpit! With and without a gate near the pilot house door for quick exits when docking...
Safety is good but I wonder if this is really necessary...
Ok people, I'd like some opinions please.
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Old 05-14-2016, 07:54 PM   #2
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Old 05-14-2016, 07:57 PM   #3
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Yes!
I can't misinterpret that answer!

So why do manufacturers even offer the shorter rail package like this one...
Also I assume that the gate is a good thing?
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As we inch closer to committing ourselves to the American Tug 395, we keep finding options that we are struggling to decide on.
One is the availability of a bow rail that goes back as far as the cockpit! With and without a gate near the pilot house door for quick exits when docking...
Safety is good but I wonder if this is really necessary...
Ok people, I'd like some opinions please.
Bruce
I am elated with the rail extending all the way back to the cockpit. (I'm 75 now and it comes in handy!) Also, although I don't have a pilot house, if I were to buy a boat that had one, I'd definitely opt for the door. Easy access forward for anchoring, attending to fenders, traversing locks, etc. If you don't get those two things on a new build "you will regret it!"
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Old 05-14-2016, 08:28 PM   #5
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So why do manufacturers even offer the shorter rail package like this one...

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Better view through the salon/saloon windows.
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I am elated with the rail extending all the way back to the cockpit. (I'm 75 now and it comes in handy!) Also, although I don't have a pilot house, if I were to buy a boat that had one, I'd definitely opt for the door. Easy access forward for anchoring, attending to fenders, traversing locks, etc. If you don't get those two things on a new build "you will regret it!"
The door is not an option as it comes in all of the American Tug pilothouse's, there is a door on each side actually. There is an option for a gate in that rail that I am questioning. I'm guessing it is there to allow quick access from the pilothouse door to the dock through the gate.
It is probably a good idea...

Maybe this way I will be boating into my 70's and beyond too?
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Old 05-14-2016, 08:33 PM   #7
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Better view through the salon/saloon windows.
Aaaaahhhh, I see! Or perhaps not if there are rails in the way...
I get it now!
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Mr. BrB. YES! Full length rails with the gate FOR SURE!!!! Rails and handholds. Safety IS good! View is secondary in a rough seaway.
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Old 05-14-2016, 08:38 PM   #9
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Yes, get the rails with the gates.
Make sure they are STURDY. Light rails are OK if everything is peaceful.
If someone loses their balance, trip or cross wave, it is surprising
how much force they can hit that railing with.

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Bruce, I suggest that you walk forward and back on a 395 a bunch of times and see what you think. The deck on the side of the saloon is narrow. You will not be walking it just hanging onto the side rail if you have one. You will always be keeping at least one hand on the lower rail on the boat deck. So, since the side deck is narrow, will the rail catch your legs as you make your way forward and back?

Most of the time, I don't think you will be using that side deck anyway. I would like do without the full rail. I think it would get in the way.

As I said, see if you can find with and without and walk both. At the very least, walk one of them a lot and see of you think it would be a help or hindrance.

Remember, while the AT has great railings, on that narrow deck you won't be using it to hang onto.
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Interesting Dave,
We drove to Essex today to visit the boat we hitched a ride on earlier this week. I wasn't thinking about the rails this trip...
I'm sure that we will be heading back to see the boat again soon so I will walk back and forth a bunch of times to see how it goes. I think finding one with the full rail package will be difficult so we may just have to use our imagination!
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Interesting Dave,
We drove to Essex today to visit the boat we hitched a ride on earlier this week. I wasn't thinking about the rails this trip...
I'm sure that we will be heading back to see the boat again soon so I will walk back and forth a bunch of times to see how it goes. I think finding one with the full rail package will be difficult so we may just have to use our imagination!
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Yup. When you do walk the side deck, try to get a sense if the rails will be a help or a hindrance. If a help, go for it. But if the decks are so narrow that you can't walk, but have to shimmy, then consider going without. You might also get the names and phone numbers of existing AT 395 owners and see what their experiences are.
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Well, while I was typing this up a bunch ahead of me said much of were I was going but I'll say it anyway.

I can't give a yes or no so, it depends.
To me the more hand holds the better and I would prefer side rails.
Some boats, I would prefer rail all the way round with well placed gates but...

Boat by boat, I would consider other factors as well.

How high are the bulwarks? Some are just the right height to be a pivot point for an old man with balance issues in a rolling sea.
How wide are the side decks and are they stepped going forward?
How easy is fender placement with side rails?
Are there rails on the side of the house?
Will there be children or pets aboard? With side rails you can add a run of nice taut (black?) canvas to an appropriate height between the stanchions
to restrain pets.

Bottom line; how will I be using the boat and the walk around?

Looking at all the Google images of that boat, I like the look of rails all the way back.
https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&s...30.nNzAxRdU-8s
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Unless you are going to routinely walk down the full length of the boat, I would get the short set. Because I don't like being in the salon looking out the windows between bars.
I leave the pilot house to grab a bow line while my first mate gets a stern line. We don't walk the narrow sides.
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>... Because I don't like being in the salon looking out the windows between bars. ...
Sounds like jail!

This forum is a great place to get some help and ideas! I suppose there is a reason so many seem to be built with the short bar set.
Many thanks!
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I suppose there is a reason so many seem to be built with the short bar set.
It's called save a buck any way you can.
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It's called save a buck any way you can.
The mutually exclusive ideas of saving a buck and owning a boat...
I think my mind just went numb!
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The mutually exclusive ideas of saving a buck and owning a boat...
Yeah, I understand but I was referring to the builders shaving every buck they can. Less rail, smaller rail et at.
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Better view through the salon/saloon windows.
You are forgetting they are coming from a sail boat where, when you look out of the salon/saloon, you see salon/saloon.
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Yeah, I understand but I was referring to the builders shaving every buck they can. Less rail, smaller rail et at.
Oh... I get what you are saying. Sometimes I am simply slow!

I'm sure the reality of building boats and staying in business is a difficult one though. I have been impressed with the willingness AT has to discuss changes to the basic boat. It seems that they will at least consider anything!
It seems that they are building a strong, safe vessel
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