Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 11-05-2014, 09:43 PM   #41
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: Avalon, NJ
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 15,903
Most states require children below 12-13 to be in PFDs when above deck.
__________________
Advertisement

psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2014, 10:09 PM   #42
Guru
 
Scary's Avatar
 
City: Walnut Grove Ca
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Cary'D Away
Vessel Model: Hatteras 48 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 884
a capsize can happen in calm water

I rescude two men from a capsized 19' Boston Whaler in mirror calm water in San Pablo Bay. The were fishing out by the pump house when they claim to have fowled there prop with anchor line which pulled transom under swamping the Whaler which emediatly rolled putting both in 55 deg water without life jackets. They were both standing on bottom of the Whaler when we spotted the from a couple miles off. It was a cold Feb with nights in the 20's. They were already very cold with uncontrollable shaking. My point being that even the venerable unsinkable Whaler can be capsized in perfect water.
__________________

Scary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2014, 10:11 PM   #43
Guru
 
dhmeissner's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: North America
Vessel Name: The Promise
Vessel Model: Roughwater 35
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,326
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan Sea-Duction View Post
Do you think these folks would be alive today if they wore PFDs?
Who knows, there could have been other circumstances. But I would think the correct PFD has to help, especially if unconscious. It has to be one that forces you face up. (Type 1)
__________________
Dave & Suzie - Roughwater 35
http://thepromiserwb1029.org/2012/09...the-promise-2/
dhmeissner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2014, 10:24 PM   #44
Guru
 
ulysses's Avatar
 
City: Gulf Shores, Ala.
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Ulysses
Vessel Model: Romsdal 1963
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 876
I spent over a week in 1976 pulling the victims of the George Prince Ferry collision and sinking out of the Mississippi River. None had on jackets. I did note that female victims floated face up and males face down after about three days. The ferry was certainly equipped with adequate number of Type I vests just complacent passengers would never think of wearing them especially those in their cars.
I don't wear mine all the time, in fact very rarely but I dam well have them handy and very readily available. And everyone else on the boat knows where they are.
ulysses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2014, 10:29 PM   #45
Guru
 
ulysses's Avatar
 
City: Gulf Shores, Ala.
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Ulysses
Vessel Model: Romsdal 1963
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 876
For those that don't remember that incident the George Prince ran across the Miss. River carrying passengers most in vehicles between Lulla and Destrehan, La. Struck early am in fog by a south bound ship. Capt. body had alcohol in his system and an empty bottle of seagram's seven was found in the wheel house trash can.
New Orleans being as they are created the cocktail immediately thereafter called the "George Prince" Seagrams Seven and River water on the rocks.
ulysses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2014, 12:25 AM   #46
Guru
 
Scary's Avatar
 
City: Walnut Grove Ca
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Cary'D Away
Vessel Model: Hatteras 48 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 884
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhmeissner View Post
Who knows, there could have been other circumstances. But I would think the correct PFD has to help, especially if unconscious. It has to be one that forces you face up. (Type 1)
HB That water was 58deg according to the sheriff report. That is cold enough to make you gasp when you hit the water potentially disabling you. With life jacket you have chance to recover from the initial shock. What doesn't make sense to me is that they found them on the surface without jackets on.
Scary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2014, 01:33 AM   #47
TF Site Team
 
FlyWright's Avatar
 
City: California Delta and SF Bay
Country: Sacramento, CA, USA (boat in Vallejo)
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,179
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scary View Post
What kind of boat were they on.
I can't remember the brand, but it's a 22 footer...similar to a small Parker.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan Sea-Duction View Post
Do you think these folks would be alive today if they wore PFDs?
Yes, the guys from the 32 footer would probably be alive. I saw an interview on the news with the survivor explaining how one friend was alive, but sank underwater after just a few minutes. He had to paddle for 25 minutes to get to the island.

Here's link to the video interview.

----------------------------------------------------------

Here's an excerpt from an email from my friend, Seon, on his capsize. (emphasis mine)

My accident was a real eye opener to respect those “rogue” waves at Bodega. It was a very close for me on that day. I was trapped in the house and was knocked back when the second wave hit. The two guys were fortunately thrown clear because they were towards the stern while I was at the helm.

There was minimal boat damage but the electronics and motors were totaled. Fortunately my insurance covered the salvage cost (over $7800) as well as the agreed value of the boat. But shy of the cost of the electronics. Upside was that all of us survived. BTW that 32 footer capsized exactly at the same location as my boat.

__________________
Al

Custom Google Trawler Forum Search
FlyWright is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2014, 03:24 AM   #48
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
Quote:
Originally Posted by hollywood8118 View Post
I am waiting for the next new controversial thread..

"Do you wear a PFD at all times or not?"
We've had threads like this several times in the past, but....

We wear our auto/manual Mustang vests at all times when the boat is underway other than going to the head or checking the engine room.

Unlike the Sospenders auto/manual vests we used to use, the Mustang will not inflate simply because it gets wet. It uses pressure to fire the inflation system and so it has to be actually immersed in water before the auto-inflate mechanism will activate.
Marin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2014, 08:29 PM   #49
Al
Guru
 
Al's Avatar
 
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Country: usa
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,690
Eric, This post is directed to you for your knowledge of the local area. Yesterday evening a “snorter of a storm blew through. Wind registered at the Ketchikan airport at 96 mph. We live directly in a SE direction from the airport straight in from the Pond Reef marker. So our home was directly in line with the airport and the blunt of the wind. I can attest that large thremopane window can flex a great amount!! We experienced no problems although the house shook like a bowl of Jell-O!

This high wind along with an extreme high tide resulted in a good drift flow of logs and flotsam. As we burn beach wood for home heat any opportunity to gather wood is taken. So I put on my type 111 sport vest, launched my trusty Sportyak and rowed out among the drift. Yep, wouldn’t you know it. flipped the Sportyak over as I was pounding a dog into the log. Am out from shore about 100 feet.

My very first thought was “Damn, the Trawler Forum will shake their collective heads over this “Ollie look at the mess you have us in” situation.

I have no idea what the water temperature but guess about 50 so degrees maybe less, didn’t enter into the equation at this juncture, Kicked the overturned Sportyak into shore with the just nailed log still attached, Took all of 15 minutes. Wife met me on the beach with a cup of laced coffee. A good woman is always a good woman!

So here we have a “It happened today” event. Very happy to have worn the vest even though it may not be current USCG approved, it felt good to have it about my chest.

Stay safe
Al
Al is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2014, 08:50 PM   #50
Guru
 
Moonstruck's Avatar
 
City: Hailing Port: Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Moonstruck
Vessel Model: Sabre 42 Hardtop Express
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 7,849
Quote:
Originally Posted by hollywood8118 View Post
I am waiting for the next new controversial thread..

"Do you wear a PFD at all times or not?"




HOLLYWOOD
Well, I have made quite an investment in several automatic inflating vests. To get my mate and guests to wear them, I insist everyone wears them when we leave the dock. I also wear one in the dinghy. As captain you have enough to deal with in an emergency. We run in and out of inlets and a lot offshore. I don't want to be worrying if everyone can float. The modern inflatables are not that uncomfortable.
__________________
Don on Moonstruck
Sabre 42 Hardtop Express & Blackfin 25 CC
When cruising life is simpler, but on a grander scale (author unknown)
http://moonstruckblog.wordpress.com/
Moonstruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2014, 08:59 PM   #51
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonstruck View Post
The modern inflatables are not that uncomfortable.
My wife and I would take that farther and say that with a modern inflatable, it's easy to forget you even have it on.

We carry an extra pair of auto/manual vest for guests, and like Don we require them to be worn at all times when the boat is underway. Also like Don, PFDs are required wearing in the diinghy. We have never had any reluctance on the part of our guests to wear them.

Except one. The guy who is largely reponsible for us getting into this kind of boating refuses to wear any kind of PFD when he's on our boat, which so far has been three times, I think. A lifetime boater, he has his own Mustang vest and brings it with him. But he won't wear it because it makes him feel like he's a little kid who has to wear one because mommy said so. For him, it's an image thing. Since he's never been on our boat for anything other than a short cruise in the bay, we've let him get away with it. But we probably shouldn't......
Marin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2014, 09:36 PM   #52
Guru
 
Moonstruck's Avatar
 
City: Hailing Port: Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Moonstruck
Vessel Model: Sabre 42 Hardtop Express
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 7,849
I had to quit having the grand kids in the dinghy with inflatable vests. We had a couple deploy because of exuberant activity. Not a real problem. Just had to get new kits. They are mostly all grown up now. 2 in college, and 2 more headed there next year.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Hilton Head with Grandkids '11 005.jpg
Views:	95
Size:	125.8 KB
ID:	34225  
__________________
Don on Moonstruck
Sabre 42 Hardtop Express & Blackfin 25 CC
When cruising life is simpler, but on a grander scale (author unknown)
http://moonstruckblog.wordpress.com/
Moonstruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2014, 05:04 PM   #53
Guru
 
High Wire's Avatar
 
City: Cape May, NJ and Englewood, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Irish Lady
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,600
From Mustang inflatable operator manual:
Non-swimmers and children especially should wear a hybrid or non-Inflatable PFD at all times when on or near the water.

A "hybrid" has some buoyancy even not inflated.
__________________
Archie
1984 Monk 36 Hull #46
Englewood, FL and Cape May, NJ
High Wire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2014, 06:17 PM   #54
Guru
 
windmill29130's Avatar
 
City: Little River SC
Vessel Name: JAZ
Vessel Model: Ta Chaio/CT35
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 716
Life jackets help 4 men survive capsizing; Coast Guard, good Samaritan respond

Some people use lifevests!
__________________
Tracy & Susie Hellman 1985 Ta Chiao CT 35
Twin Lehman Super 90's Westerbeke 4.4kw
Lightkeepers Marina -Little River, SC
windmill29130 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2014, 07:16 PM   #55
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,262
Quote:
Originally Posted by windmill29130 View Post
__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2014, 08:21 PM   #56
Guru
 
windmill29130's Avatar
 
City: Little River SC
Vessel Name: JAZ
Vessel Model: Ta Chaio/CT35
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 716
Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
__________________
Tracy & Susie Hellman 1985 Ta Chiao CT 35
Twin Lehman Super 90's Westerbeke 4.4kw
Lightkeepers Marina -Little River, SC
windmill29130 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2014, 09:45 PM   #57
Guru
 
dhmeissner's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: North America
Vessel Name: The Promise
Vessel Model: Roughwater 35
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,326
Three happy kids, life is good!
__________________
Dave & Suzie - Roughwater 35
http://thepromiserwb1029.org/2012/09...the-promise-2/
dhmeissner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2014, 01:17 AM   #58
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,152
PFD's are like seat belts in cars. When they were first required people screamed and hollered about the "What if's". It was generally just looking for an excuse because they didn't like wearing them. What if car on fire and they can't get unbelted was the most common. Another was injuries from the belt. But the overwhelming fact is that they save a huge number of lives while they may very rarely cost a life.

I never wore a life jacket growing up on the lake. But I remember going deep sea fishing and being told I'd have to wear one and I was one very unhappy boy. Today we don't wear them at all times but we sure wear them when out to sea or in circumstances with significant risk and we sure require them on kids and any non swimmers. And far more a requirement in cold water. And to encourage us all we have purchased quite a huge number of inflatables. Very expensive but well worth it. An expensive one likely to be worn is a far greater value than a cheap one not likely to be worn. We also keep jackets out on deck, either hung in various places or on seating, so it can quickly be grabbed. But not hidden under or behind seats in in other storage.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2014, 11:56 PM   #59
TF Site Team
 
FlyWright's Avatar
 
City: California Delta and SF Bay
Country: Sacramento, CA, USA (boat in Vallejo)
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,179
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scary View Post
What kind of boat were they on.
Here's a pic of the capsized boat taken before the event when we were crabbing.

__________________
Al

Custom Google Trawler Forum Search
FlyWright is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2014, 06:03 AM   #60
Guru
 
Scary's Avatar
 
City: Walnut Grove Ca
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Cary'D Away
Vessel Model: Hatteras 48 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 884
Boy does that look tippy or what.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWright View Post
Here's a pic of the capsized boat taken before the event when we were crabbing.

Photos probably aren't a good way of judging balance. But that boat looks like the cabin top is fairly heavy with the large glass and fiberglass top. With an outboard that large and the absence of a large low mounted inboard for ballast it just looks like it's ready to go over.
__________________

Scary is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012