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Old 02-11-2017, 01:03 PM   #1
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Boats destroyed to save the bridge

This occurred on the Mokelumne River at the bridge near Wimpy's yesterday. These boats got loose after the dock was destroyed due to high waters and were trapped against the bridge. Heavy equipment was called in to break them up in an attempt to save the bridge. It's painful to watch! Arrrrgh!

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Old 02-11-2017, 01:37 PM   #2
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Guess they don't have rope there. Wonder if they would do that if it was it large propane tank?
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Old 02-11-2017, 02:07 PM   #3
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There's a launch ramp about 200 yards upriver that might have been usable.

Also, Cpseudonym's former Owens is docked about 150 yards upriver at Wimpy's. It's visible in this video (black canvas at ~00:20) which shows the 4 boats beginning their drift downstream toward the bridge. So far, the Owens appears safe.

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Old 02-11-2017, 02:38 PM   #4
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I am wondering if a boat insurance is covering this kind of things?
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I wonder if there are any tow boats in the area. Also, what about any more bridges down river? Are they going to take responsibility for any fuel spills?
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:02 PM   #6
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seems stupid to me. are there no tow boats in that area??

They just created a lot of pollution down river for someone to clean up. Fuel spill will be next.
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:22 PM   #7
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Not a facebook member so only can see the first few seconds of the videos. Assuming the boats were intentionally sunk, wouldn't the USCG be upset about petroleum discharge and new hazards to navigation? On its face, the action taken was irresponsible.
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:47 PM   #8
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Pretty easy to say that was remarkably stupid on someone's part. I did not see all that much current.
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I am wondering if a boat insurance is covering this kind of things?
Insurance would cover it. The insurance company would pay the insured and might subrogate to collect from the party that made the decision to destroy the boat. The issue is "was it appropriate to destroy the boat". Was the bridge at risk? Seems that a skilled skipper with a powerful boat and competent crew could have tied on to the boat and towed it off the bridge. Or, have a skilled operator jump from bridge or rescue vessel and drive the boat off the bridge. Risky operation either way. Seems to me that deploying the heavy equipment on the bridge was a risky operation in itself.
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It's hard to cast an opinion when not privy to what had or had not already been attempted. If this was in fact the initial decision without any other attempts then I for one would question the decision.
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Flood warning for Carquinez Strait and the Delta:

Flash Flood Watch for Carquinez Strait and Delta, California
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An entire section of Hwy 26 fell into the river.

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Can you imagine what flooding would have occurred without all the previously-near-empty, man-made reservoirs?
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Were not some dams removed due to lack of rain and CA's instant gratification needs to deal with global warming politics?

All will be forgotten until the next 50 year flood event.
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Wow! wonder who will be responsible for debris removal and spill mitigation?
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Two things most likely leading to the debris removal policies around these CA bridges:

First, debris accumulation is the death knell for bridges as it forces water to the abutments thus potentially washing away the cover for the support structures.

Second, few bridges are designed for significant side loads which ice, debris or runaway barges can impose. My guess is the highway department knows quite well the debris mitigation techniques to be employed during flood events.

Regarding the potential fuel spills, just like upstream sewage plant discharges during flood events - trivial and thoroughly diluted.
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Two things most likely leading to the debris removal policies around these CA bridges:

First, debris accumulation is the death knell for bridges as it forces water to the abutments thus potentially washing away the cover for the support structures.

Second, few bridges are designed for significant side loads which ice, debris or runaway barges can impose. My guess is the highway department knows quite well the debris mitigation techniques to be employed during flood events.

Regarding the potential fuel spills, just like upstream sewage plant discharges during flood events - trivial and thoroughly diluted.
Agree.....

The little engine oil would be so spread out I doubt it would be more than a spot clean here and there unless animals were involved. Maybe if it collected in a pool someplace...but I doubt it.

The gasoline usually evaporates before anyone can get absorbent pads in to clean it and obviously booming isn't practical in a flood.

Even though unlikely, if a cleanup is necessary on the environmental side, the USCG used to have access to an emergency fund for clean ups. A few phone calls were made to aurhorize a certain amount for clean up. The agency holding those funds (guessing the EPA but could have been anyone) would then bill the insurance companies of all they say fit to...if it was even worth it as this one will probably go to court with a lot of finger pointing.
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Well first, owners should have made sure their boats were properly secured. But hard to do that if the dock washes away.


Second, I'm no engineer, but the boats were a danger to the bridge? Really. Two heavy duty Excavators on the bridge? You would think the weight would be more of a concern.
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Total insanity and the guy taking the video, did it never cross his mind to do something? Two of them temporarily were sitting right by the dock and could have just been tied. Even the first one to get stuck there could have easily been pulled away. Would have been fairly easy to board it even from the bridge. Surely though there were other boats around to help. It seems to me some were more interested in watching and filming disaster than trying to do anything to avert it.
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Total insanity and the guy taking the video, did it never cross his mind to do something? Two of them temporarily were sitting right by the dock and could have just been tied. Even the first one to get stuck there could have easily been pulled away. Would have been fairly easy to board it even from the bridge. Surely though there were other boats around to help. It seems to me some were more interested in watching and filming disaster than trying to do anything to avert it.
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If you watch the first video, you see a boat and its attached dock get rolled under the bridge. After seeing that, the guys taking the next video see the boats that the excavators attack coming down on the same spot. If it was me, no way would I chance going aboard.
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