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Old 08-12-2019, 03:33 PM   #1
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Boats to avoid?

Not wanting to bash anybody's personal vessel, but I know of cars and motorcycles I hear people tell other people they may want to avoid. Are there any Trawlers out there that are just plain not a good idea to buy? If not boats, how about certain engines? I am just hoping to avoid expensive mistakes! thanks for any input you may have.
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Too dangerous of a question?
Sorry, I first should have welcomed you.

This is the best place on the net to find info on “trawler” boats and lifestyle. But we’re also a feisty bunch when it comes to favorite [fill in the blank]. Anchors, radars, twins vs singles, gas vs diesel and many other topics all have passionate defenders and opponents. I was just imagining some of the feedback this question might spark. But I absolutely wouldn’t want to suggest you not ask it.

My own response would be that condition and maintenance over rule manufacturer and age.
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Welcome aboard. Boats to avoid are the ones that donít meet your needs, fail surveys and ones that are ugly...
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Thanks. I do notice when I look at many of the very popular boats and models I can hardly tell the difference from a Grand Banks to a Marine Trader to an Albin. I made a mistake buying a Sea Ray with an early OMC outdrive once I really wish I had been warned about. Oops!
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Unless you are cheque book boater avoid Volvo and Westerbeke engines.
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My personal preference is no Volvos. I had poor support in getting parts in a previous boat and when they were available they were very expensive. Many will tell you that they have no problems with Volvo, but it is my preference.
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Unless you are cheque book boater avoid Volvo and Westerbeke engines.
You beat me to it by a minute...
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Thanks. I do notice when I look at many of the very popular boats and models I can hardly tell the difference from a Grand Banks to a Marine Trader to an Albin. I made a mistake buying a Sea Ray with an early OMC outdrive once I really wish I had been warned about. Oops!
I hope you mean you can't tell the difference at a distance. Quite a quality difference between a GB and a MT.

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Yes, there is a difference in quality between those boats, but the Marine Trader may meet the needs of the OP. Depends on what he needs and or wants.
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From a distance for sure, but I'm not even experienced enough to tell the quality difference close up.
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Greetings,
Welcome aboard! Probably NOT the best idea to buy a vessel that is in similar circumstances to:







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Depending on your interest in maintaining your own boat, wood and ferro cement would be good to avoid. Steel and aluminum require a very competent surveyor. Not bad materials to build a boat out of, but proper maintenance is essential for a long life.

Avoid any that have been flooded or sunk. They may look fully squared away, but can have all sorts of problems down the road.

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Boater etiquette. Do not speak ill of another boaters boat. Quality in boats MAY relate to there cost to produce. It is not by chance that some boat builders are still in business. Some would be Grand Banks, Boston Whalers, Grady White, Carver, and many more. Engines may have similar quality and longevity histories, Cummins, John Deere, Luggers, etc.
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Don't be tempted by anthing wooden. My brother lives on a 1960s wooden trawler and has for at least 18 years. It consumes his life. He's trying to get it into good enough shape to sell to someone else and move onto a glass boat.

Don't buy a project boat unless you have infinite free time and deep pockets.

Personally I'd avoid anything excessively large and overpowered. Fuel won't always be this cheap. There are going to be a lot of stranded boats if fuel goes to $8/gallon.
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Not wanting to bash anybody's personal vessel, but I know of cars and motorcycles I hear people tell other people they may want to avoid. Are there any Trawlers out there that are just plain not a good idea to buy? If not boats, how about certain engines? I am just hoping to avoid expensive mistakes! thanks for any input you may have.

In general, there really aren't any bad boats, just bad owners.


As Comodave mentioned, the best boat is the one that best fits your intended use, your skills, and your budget. Also, each design, materials, and powertrain will have certain advantages and disadvantages, both real and/or perceived.
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Well here, not casting aspersions, but I think it's fair to say you will hear Volvo engines bashed a lot (not that I have any clue, it's all academic to me, I've never owned one). And Bayliners are sometimes bashed as Walmart caliber boats, but then I own one and you'll hear from ardent Bayliner defenders too. "Well if I could afford a stinkin' Kadey Krogan I would stinkin' buy one, you evil 1%'ers, but at least Bayliner gets me out on the water and I don't have to sell a pint of blood every week!" And the Bayliner 3988 in the next slip over (with diesels) sure seems nice to me. And of course the other thing you'll find is that brands and name plates die and get purchased and resurrected and re-die so often you have to know what years you're talking about before bashing or praising. For example I had a Carver from the 80's as our first big(ger) boat, same name in production today but it's a very different company now. Bankruptcy, restructuring, etc. Bluewater used to build big house-boat looking things in Mora, MN, but now it looks like a company in Ft. Pierce, FL uses that name for center consoles. I have a Mainship, but it's the giant white tennis shoe version from the 1990's, but now it's Marlow Mainship and they make trawler style boats. Lots of nameplates have gone through transitions. Boston Whaler was sold, what, four or five times, including once to Reebok? Sneakers and Whalers...

But all that aside, the other posters are right, kind of like wives and brides, you compliment them all and say they're pretty, even if they'd scare Dr. Frankenstein. Momma taught me to be gracious and polite. Although if somebody wants to trade a KK for my Mainship ('96), let me know, and I'll throw the Bayliner into the deal. Oh, and in my opinion Hella interior boat lights stink, they cost a million dollars because they're "marine" but I've had nothing but trouble with them. Ooo, and Magma grills. And...

Okay, I'll stop now.
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Avoid any boat that does not meet you needs:
  • if you want a fast boat, do not buy a slow boat
  • if you want a slow boat, do not buy a fast boat
  • if you want diesels, do not buy gassers
  • if you want gassers, do not buy diesels
  • if you want a trawler, do not buy an express cruiser
  • if you want an express cruiser, do not buy a trawler
  • if you want an old boat, do not buy a new boat
  • if you want a new boat, do not buy an old boat
  • if you want a smaller boat, do not buy a larger boat
  • if you want a larger boat, do not buy a smaller boat
  • if you love wooden boats, do not buy a fiberglass boat
  • if you love fiberglass boats, do not buy a wooden boat
Seriously though, if you haven't, read the Boat search 101 thread!

You can't seriously begin looking for a boat until you give enough though on what your boating needs are!

Feel free to ask questions about all types of topics, but not which anchor is best!

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